It's not worth worrying about what morons like Rogoway "think". Once the J-20 gets its WS-15 and its emphysema is cured, it will ROFLstomp everything it goes up against.
J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI
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Even guys on F-16.net are getting more impressed with J-20 after the November 11th demo.
p.s. Still got to get it off my chest. Even the author of the article admitted that the J-20 demonstrated fast roll rate, good AOA abilities, and "decent" (understatement of the century) nose pointing capabilities. However, since it bled "too much" energy, it can't maneuver!
Is there any delta-winged fighter that doesn't bleed energy? You know what else bleeds a lot of energy but has good nose-pointing capabilities? Mirage 2000. Is that a dedicated interceptor too?
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Something to keep an eye out for in the future might be unusually small pods (EW/jamming etc).
While such pods would be useful on UAVs, I think they could also potentially be used by the J20 in place of one or both of its PL10s.
While stealth aircraft would obviously want to avoid being detected by the enemy, there may be scenarios and situations where passive stealth alone might not be enough.
Carrying such pods would have zero impact on the J20’s stealth capabilities when stowed, but if needed, they could be rapidly deployed to offer enhanced EW and jamming support if you have already been spotted, and then re-stowed to restore full stealth once the immediate danger has been dealt with.
Such a capability would be very useful when escorting strikers attacking particularly well defended high value targets; and/or they could be used to support wild weasel conventional aircraft during DEAD missions.
The J20 would fly in front of the conventional strikers with its main bay full of ARMs, and be ready to deliver a near point blank attack once hostile SAMs light up to try and engage the wild weasels.
When you are getting that close to powerful SAM radars, having active jamming pods to help supplement your passive stealth would be a very useful insurance in case the enemy SAMs manages to shoot off some missiles at the J20 before they were destroyed.
While such pods would be useful on UAVs, I think they could also potentially be used by the J20 in place of one or both of its PL10s.
While stealth aircraft would obviously want to avoid being detected by the enemy, there may be scenarios and situations where passive stealth alone might not be enough.
Carrying such pods would have zero impact on the J20’s stealth capabilities when stowed, but if needed, they could be rapidly deployed to offer enhanced EW and jamming support if you have already been spotted, and then re-stowed to restore full stealth once the immediate danger has been dealt with.
Such a capability would be very useful when escorting strikers attacking particularly well defended high value targets; and/or they could be used to support wild weasel conventional aircraft during DEAD missions.
The J20 would fly in front of the conventional strikers with its main bay full of ARMs, and be ready to deliver a near point blank attack once hostile SAMs light up to try and engage the wild weasels.
When you are getting that close to powerful SAM radars, having active jamming pods to help supplement your passive stealth would be a very useful insurance in case the enemy SAMs manages to shoot off some missiles at the J20 before they were destroyed.
We can collaborate on it in this thread.
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/chinese-military-articles-translation-thread.t5679/page-11
Wouldn’t it be most useful at being an interceptor? J20s can expect to be heavily outnumbered in the near term to such an extent that there might be several times more targets than missiles. In such a situation, it would make most sense to first fire at AWACS and tankers to mission kill enemy fighters without wasting ammo.
Ofc unlike traditional interceptors such as MIG25, the J20 is not quite as fast and much more maneuverable. But since the J20 is stealthy, it doesn't need speed to get the drop on someone and it’s maneuverability, IRST and high off bore missiles lets it intercept enemy 5gen that can’t be handled BVR.
If China builds more of them, they might work as frontline fighters. But I’d wager the real cost for one is extremely high, maybe even worse than the F22. Unless the budget is increased, J10s and 11s will still be the fighter bombers.
There is a difference between the inherent capability that an aircraft offers and the way it is employed in a conflict. The former determines the range of missions that an aircraft can conduct, whereas the latter is dependent on the aircraft's inherent capability as well as the makeup of one's own force, the disposition of the enemy, the maturity of the platform, and other strategic and operational variables specific to each conflict scenario.
If the PLA had to go to war with only a brigade of J-20s in service against an opposing force with a large fleet of both 5th and 4th gen fighters, you can bet that PLAAF would use their J-20s in the most cost effective way possible. That would likely include targeting opposing force multipliers at first, and then to operate in a manner to indirectly support 4th gen fighters with its superior sensors and SA.
But if the PLA went to war in ten years with hundreds of J-20s in service against an opposing air force with a fleet of mostly 4th gen fighters and only a hundred of their own stealth fighters in service, then chances are J-20s will be used much more boldly, though naturally it would still involve targeting force multipliers as well.
In fact, I would expect in the opening phases of any high tech air war, that each side with stealth fighters will try to go after each other's force multipliers, and that isn't unique to the PLA.
Your analysis is correct. However, the author of the article and other similar authors are definitely using it as a knock against J-20's abilities.
Nothing new there.
I think it's time for me to write a new article about J-20's agility and role now that we've had the load of new J-20 related info and flight display at Zhuhai
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