J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

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siegecrossbow

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latenlazy said:
At this point they’re too dug in to change their narrative, methinks.
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Looks like AVIC answered the question of whether the J-20 is a bomber, interceptor, or air superiority fighter for us.

“Its overall combat effectiveness marks significant improvement compared with that of third-generation fighters. Major operational missions include: seizing and maintaining air superiority, medium & long-range fast interception, escort and deep strike.”
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It's all of the above!
 
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In the interest of fairness, let's not make up Flight Global's position for them. If they claimed the J-20 is not a fighter, this should be demonstrated with a link to them saying so. Actually, Greg Waldron just described it as "one of the 21st Century's most iconic fighter designs."
 
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Tiberium said:
I think we could say J-20 would be the most complex aerodynamic machine in all mass-produced aircraft, maybe just the most complex. It generates vortex like crazy, nose, inlet LERX, canard, main wind LERX, all those complex vortex flow combined, it can only be achieved by a country owns all types of wind tunnels and super-computers.
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I'm not sure why we would want to make a statement like that honestly?, the J-20 is very aerodynamically complex with its distant coupled canards and elevons and ruddervators providing pitch forces, and no doubt the FCS is possibly the most complex, on the other hand it does presently lack OVT? so honestly, complexity is not always a virtue??

But to be very honest, I'm very, very impressed with the sound aerodynamics and novel approach to getting more pitch rate out of this airplane, Dr. Song and Yang Wei are no doubt proud, it works very well, flies very nicely, and maneuvers with no real apparent effort...

but, I mean it could well be true? and if Yang Wei's allusion to the J-20 already having an OVT demonstrator ready to go is correct, that my friend would no doubt be a very complex aircraft and FCS,, so you're probably right after all.....
 
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siegecrossbow said:
Remember how he said that the J-20 was not maneuverable because it didn't have thicker vortices or wing condensates than other fighters? Now I can just point to my avatar.
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Stop remembering. I’m trying to forget. The only good that came out of those dumb mig-29 debates was that it made me review the literature and apply more thinking to how aerodynamics and plane design works, which I suppose is one thing I wanted to get out of this hobby, not to suggest he added anything substantive to that experience.
 
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latenlazy said:
Stop remembering. I’m trying to forget. The only good that came out of those dumb mig-29 debates as that it made me review the literature and apply more thinking to how aerodynamics and plane design works, which I suppose is one thing I wanted to get out of this hobby, not to suggest he added anything substantive to that experience.
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I thought you'd enjoy the schadenfreude. Oh well.
 
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siegecrossbow said:
Remember how he said that the J-20 was not maneuverable because it didn't have thicker vortices or wing condensates than other fighters? Now I can just point to my avatar.
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Yes, and we have the pleasure of knowing Mig-29 will be admiring your avatar from afar,, who knows, he may be back? LOL
 
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