J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

[Blitzo]

Can we assume that each J-20 reg is 3 J-20s, 3 J-16s / J-11s?

... at present, or intended?

I expect a fully equipped combat ready J-20 brigade to have a similar number of J-20s as existing Flanker brigades do for Flankers.

 

[Equation]

Newly released old photo? Almost certainly from Zhuhai Airshow 2016.

(2048 x 1293)

Old or new, it's going into my computer wall paper as screen background.

 

[manqiangrexue]

I mean, I'd prefer Mio Akiyawa as the J-20's nickname instead of the Fierce Dragon nonsense (too militaristic), or barring that, Black Silk Stockings, but things like "long sword", "sharp sword", etc, are good names.

I'm sorry, WHAT??!! You think that Fierce Dragon is too militaristic a name for the premier fighter of the military, and instead, it should be named after a Japanese cartoon character or women's underwear? Did I read that properly? LOL I don't see how Sharp/Long Sword sound less militaristic than Fierce Dragon. And also, JF-17 is actually Fierce Dragon; J-20 is Mighty Dragon and J-10 is Vigorous Dragon so... kind of theme going here. Don't know if suddenly naming one Hello Kitty/Care Bear-Chan fits too well LOL

 

[mys_721tx]

barring that, Black Silk Stockings

黑丝带 is black ribbon and 黑丝 is black stockings. Both are plays on words because 1) the early prototypes of J-20 are black and 2) J-20 is a fourth generation fighter. (PLA classification and also earlier US classification)

a Japanese cartoon character

In Chinese circles, J-20 is sometime referred to as Akiyawa Mio because J-20's long fuselage and black coat of paint are reminiscent of Mio's hair. The secret nature of early J-20 test flights also mirrors Mio's shy personality.

Of course, unlike Mighty Dragon, none of the nicknames above are official. They are fan nicknames when people try to be creative to get around the censor and/or have fun.

 

[Inst]

Weapons are tools of ill-omen and should be treated as such. Sure, without a strong military, you can't defend yourself, but an overly strong military gives rise to militarism, and we know how well that goes, no? The fundamental mistake of any militarist society is the notion that your strength will last, because it won't. The Romans were eaten by barbarians once their might waned, and every single military empire to date has collapsed, barring that of the Americans, and that's just a matter of time.

As for long sword, that's already the designation of Chinese tomahawk clones, and Sharp Sword is a UAV. Naming it as a weapon, though, is more neutral than naming it as a dragon, and even a bird (J-31 Gyrfalcon) is better than claiming the might and awesomeness of a dragon for your own.

 

[Blitzo]

黑丝带 is black ribbon and 黑丝 is black stockings. Both are plays on words because 1) the early prototypes of J-20 are black and 2) J-20 is a fourth generation fighter. (PLA classification and also earlier US classification)



In Chinese circles, J-20 is sometime referred to as Akiyawa Mio because J-20's long fuselage and black coat of paint are reminiscent of Mio's hair. The secret nature of early J-20 test flights also mirrors Mio's shy personality.

Of course, unlike Mighty Dragon, none of the nicknames above are official. They are fan nicknames when people try to be creative to get around the censor and/or have fun.

I think manqiangrexue isn't questioning the background behind those nicknames but saying that Inst's overall belief that somehow those names are more suitable than Wei Long/Mighty Dragon, is a stupid one.


I happen to agree. It's fine to have silly nicknames in the community but if Inst actually thinks the official name of the aircraft should be one of those nicknames then he has no taste.

 

[Inst]

More your problem than mine; remember how Chinese netizens were mocking the Indians over branding their fighting forces with tigers? The PLA has, to date, avoided giving dumb, militaristic names to its equipment. Comedy names are perhaps too far in the other direction, but fetishizing your own strength will only lead to remorse when it fades.

 

[manqiangrexue]

More your problem than mine

If your entire air force were shot down and your nation defeated in war, your first thought would be regret over how you named your aircraft? And this is other people's problem instead of your own defeatist mental issue? LOL

remember how Chinese netizens were mocking the Indians over branding their fighting forces with tigers? The PLA has, to date, avoided giving dumb, militaristic names to its equipment. Comedy names are perhaps too far in the other direction, but fetishizing your own strength will only lead to remorse when it fades.

Then the only solution is to make sure it never fades and that China's might lives up to those names.

 

[Blitzo]

More your problem than mine; remember how Chinese netizens were mocking the Indians over branding their fighting forces with tigers? The PLA has, to date, avoided giving dumb, militaristic names to its equipment. Comedy names are perhaps too far in the other direction, but fetishizing your own strength will only lead to remorse when it fades.

... I'm fine with the names of J-20 and other fighter jets. They sound fine in mandarin which is the language they are intended for.

JF-17 is Xiaolong, J-10 is Menglong, J-20 is Weilong. J-15 is Feisha, JH-7 is Feibao.

So on and so forth. J-20's name doesn't deviate from the sort of names that other fighter jets have had.



If you or anyone else doesn't like the English translation of the Chinese language names, I'm not sure how that is a problem.

 

[Inst]

Afaik all the Chinese names for Chinese military aircraft are unofficial.

Then the only solution is to make sure it never fades and that China's might lives up to those names.

Literally everyone has tried that, and they've all failed.