J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

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Okay so if they had the choice, more specifically, they had the technical ability to produce VLO for the programs of Typhoon and Rafale (you allege at least), they did not have the funding. Therefore they would have preferred to go down that path provided they had the funding, demonstrating the superiority of going down that path. So my point in asking you to forget about J-10, Rafale etc is still valid. No one with the ability and choice to go with stealth decided against it unless it was for consideration of funds. This btw is all conjecture. Also Rafale's SPECTRA marketing nonsense is nothing special. It is just the marketing name they gave to the Rafale's sensor suite. Active cancellation may be theoretically useful to mask Rafale's radar returns but it is untested in actual combat (dropping bombs on Libya with little air threat and resistance can be done with Mig-21) and it most likely does not work as they advertise it otherwise all military nations will either copy it, buy it, or produce aircraft with similar systems. Therefore the "most gains can be achieved through" other means is 100% nonsense. If it were true, no nation would even bother with stealth shaping and materials. Yet all the evidence is against the claim and Rafale has yet to find itself fielded in another airforce 20 years later.
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if I were you, I'd be careful: the US considerations go far beyond technical stuff and include
  1. the power of lobbying (for example the real-world importance of F-35 Program is the price of
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  2. attempts to drag opponents into an arms race (US can always increase the debt ceiling by a trillion for this or that)
I'm not saying stealth fighter aicraft is a bust, I'm saying countries like Russia and China need to be careful if it's worth it, as points #1 and #2 don't apply to them

heck even in the US there're programs for teen-series upgrades (I'd be able to pull links from
US Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
but now realized my lunch break should end soon LOL)
 

siegecrossbow

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Can we stop this? All this discussion over some insecure Indians with an inferiority complex who picked up a bird or something on radar and fell over themselves swearing they saw J-20... I find it very hard to take seriously the people who took over a decade to tender, select, draw up a deal, and then cancel the MRCA deal, and who flipped a warship on its side trying to launch it. They're not worth the real estate on this thread.

This is what happens when you don't get any real J-20 related news or photos for around a month.
 

Deino

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To admit guys ... I suddenly have a strange feeling in my fingers which I can barely hold back ... it says: CLEAN UP THIS THREAD !!!!

There's a simple solution if - like @siegecrossbow correctly noted - no news appear "for around a month": Just do not post ... read a good book, chat with a friend
 

mys_721tx

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J-20 Beats Third Generation (Western Standard 4th Generation) Fighters 10:0 (needs translation)

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传说有10:0外加打掉预警机的惊人战绩
[J-20] allegedly has a exchange rate of 10:0 in additional to eliminating opposing AWACS

This article is an op-ed and the information is no better than a rumor.
 

ougoah

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What does that mean? o_O Are they talking about LPI mode?

Must be something lost in translation since AESA radar itself doesn't contribute much to RCS of a fighter. So the rumour must be referring to reducing the probability of intercept (whatever that actually involves) by some orders of magnitude.

If this is transferable, it'll greatly improve the abilities of non-stealth PLAAF fighters currently using AESA? Making the radar a very powerful "passive" sensor. If they started from LPI that were similar to F-35/F-22 radars, does the improvement by a "factor of several hundred" make the signals virtually impossible to detect?
 

zaphd

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Must be something lost in translation since AESA radar itself doesn't contribute much to RCS of a fighter. So the rumour must be referring to reducing the probability of intercept (whatever that actually involves) by some orders of magnitude.
It also makes sense if they are talking about rcs. Remember that the nose cone lets x-band pass right through. There's a reason the f-35 has a canted radar antenna, supposedly the f-22 has some other kind of classified wizardry.

Bottom line is you don't just stick any aesa in a plane and expect it to not affect stealth.
 

Tirdent

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RF antennas very much are a problem for RCS reduction - fixed & inclined AESAs are inherently less onerous in this respect than, for example, a parabolic reflector (for obvious reasons), but they are a serious issue nonetheless. Bear in mind the effort put into mitigating the RCS contribution from the radar with FSS radomes (metamaterials, if you will) and thick layers of in-band RAM surrounding the array inside:

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In fact, the inability to design stealthy RF antennas at the time is responsible for the lack of RWR (let alone radar and ECM) on the F-117. There were experiments with pop-up arrays that were retractable like the head lights on 1980s sports cars, but in the end the Nighthawk was completely blind when it blundered into the Yugoslav SAM ambush in 1999.

It's quite possible that the source was indeed talking about the RCS contribution of the radar itself.
 
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