J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

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tphuang said:
i just deleted 3 pages of argument that was going nowhere. Please get back on J-20.
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Deleting them is understandable but could you leave a moderator message that forbids assertions of unverifiable claims? Or even better; make it a rule. And enforce the rule as strictly as Jeff enforces the "no swearing" rule.

Simply whitewashing everything is not a long-term solution. This isn't the first time nor will it be the last time that such disagreements occur. Please address the cause, not the symptoms. What happened to this thread was just a symptom.

The cause, simply put, is the tendency of some members, both pro and anti-China, to proclaim assertions that are unverifiable and portray those assertions as fact. The more sceptical and rationally-minded members then jump in to smash apart the snowballing heap of unverifiable claims. The original claimant, perceiving a slight to himself, then initiates a chain of back-and-forth arguments that derails the thread.

All this could be prevented if the rules clearly disallow portraying conjecture as facts, and any attempts to do so will result in deletion and possible suspension. In other words, make it compulsory to put a disclaimer before posting conjecture.
 
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jobjed said:
Deleting them is understandable but could you leave a moderator message that forbids assertions of unverifiable claims? Or even better; make it a rule. And enforce the rule as strictly as Jeff enforces the "no swearing" rule.

Simply whitewashing everything is not a long-term solution. This isn't the first time nor will it be the last time that such disagreements occur. Please address the cause, not the symptoms. What happened to this thread was just a symptom.

The cause, simply put, is the tendency of some members, both pro and anti-China, to proclaim assertions that are unverifiable and portray those assertions as fact. The more sceptical and rationally-minded members then jump in to smash apart the snowballing heap of unverifiable claims. The original claimant, perceiving a slight to himself, then initiates a chain of back-and-forth arguments that derails the thread.

All this could be prevented if the rules clearly disallow portraying conjecture as facts, and any attempts to do so will result in deletion and possible suspension. In other words, make it compulsory to put a disclaimer before posting conjecture.
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In the future, if you have suggestions, please PM the moderators rather than just out of the blue posting in a thread that should be updated by moderators.

As for the your question, the answer is no, because we simply don't have the moderator resources to do this. An even if we did, it's not an easy task, since what one considers as fact and verifiable can be different from another. It's not up to the moderators to come up with a list of sources that are considered fact. I'm sure we won't be able to agree to it ourselves.

And if the so called "rationally minded members" cannot ignore a non-rationally minded member's unreasonable post or keep it to simply rebuttal then I'd have to conclude that everyone is irrational. There is no reason any of this needs to last for pages.

We have plenty of these long running arguments that have nothing to do with someone supposedly posting unverifiable fact. The issue is that when arguments get heated, it's hard to let go. That's where moderators have to come in.

Now, please get back on topic.
 
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Is this accounted already ?
J-20, # 78274

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