J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

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b787 said:
his estimate was a good one even favorable for the J-20, If you consider F-35 weighs near 32 tonnes at max take off and F-22 close to 39 tonnes, so i think he gave even a very favorable weight, for example the smaller MiG-35 gets close to 30 tonnes.


The exact weight is classified at the moment, but a guess of 36-40 tonnes range is very likely the weight of the machine, however mat take off weight includes external warload.

A combat weight of 30-35 tonnes is very likely.

The only think why i would say F-22 could say weighs extra is the 800 kg extra of both TVC nozzles, the F-119, with respect Al-41, F-119 is very likely for example 500kg heavier than T-30 engine, but that only will add an extra tone of dead weight.

But J-20 has a longer fuselage so in my personal opinion J-20 is around 37 tonnes in a very light estimate or around 39 tonnes due to larger weapons bays and fuel capacity.
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I do not care how accurate or not accurate his number may be.

What I care about is the fact that he presented his estimate as if it was a confirmed fact when in reality it was a random number he got from wikipedia, with a source that is not reliable.



I don't care about how favourable or not favourable his 36 ton number is, I care that he made it sound like it was legitimate.
 
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See that link is very likely one f the most accurate ones for F-35 Data, if you expect the larger twin engines Chinese J-20 weighs less, well be my guest, but you are out of reality, F-22, J-20 and Su-57 are in the 34-38 tonnes mark fully loaded, the lightest weight would be 34 tonnes but a 36 tonnes weight is reasonable



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In Fact a 36 tonnes mark is kind of very forgiving for an aircraft of its size, F-22 weighs 38 tonnes, so i would not discard a 36-39 tonnes for the larger fuselage J-20 but of course you wanted it as light as a feather
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They wanted exactly... childrens

Same mass here and out in more clearly less stealth than F-22/35 and curiously no gun after surely a good bird especialy long range but not perfect as some want...let's them dream
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They wanted exactly... childrens

Same mass here and out in more clearly less stealth than F-22/35 and curiously no gun after surely a good bird especialy long range but not perfect as some want...let's them dream
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I've talked with people who know the person that put together that paper. They didn't employ technical input on the design analysis, and much of the primary sources they did get either come from the same sources we get here or members of this community. Don't take everything it says to heart.

Also, just admit that you falsely presented unsubstantiated information as facts and be done with this line of conversation. The self satisfied smugness is wearing thin.
 
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I've talked with people who know the person that put together that paper. They didn't employ technical input on the design analysis, and much of the primary sources they did get either come from the same sources we get here or members of this community. Don't take everything it says to heart.

Also, just admit that you falsely presented unsubstantiated information as facts and be done with this line of conversation. The self satisfied smugness is wearing thin.
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Frankly, even if they did use "technical input", I wouldn't put much weight on it. Only CAC themselves can give us the exact design parameters and everyone else is just guessing.
 
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latenlazy said:
I've talked with people who know the person that put together that paper. They didn't employ technical input on the design analysis, and much of the primary sources they did get either come from the same sources we get here or members of this community. Don't take everything it says to heart.

Also, just admit that you falsely presented unsubstantiated information as facts and be done with this line of conversation. The self satisfied smugness is wearing thin.
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In anyway as have B787 pointed to just reasons for some reasons... any source which don't means/prove your numbers waht number ? is not good for you so i let's u to this point false claims...
 
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Max take off weight: 36,288 kg
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Dude, give it a rest.

The fact is that we do not have a source from the PLAAF or CAC telling us how much the J-20 weighs, and they are the only credible source that we can accept for something like the weight of one of their aircraft.


Coming up with random links does not prove anything apart from the fact that you do not seem to know what constitutes a proper source for something like an aircraft's weight, versus an unreliable source.
 
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