J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

[Hyperwarp]

The same story talked about a few other things that are worth mentioning:

• Development of J20 is still on-going, especially advanced sensor and software. The writer hinted (he talked directly to the development team) two major subsystems that are not yet ready, I assume one of them is helmet-mounted targeting system
• Production of pre-WS15 version J20 has a bottleneck, the parts using some new materials can not enter full production speed before the factory can finish reconfiguration
• The current copy of J20 can already serve the "information node" role, being the collector of data, integrator of info, and command center during fights
• In the simulation fight, one J20 was shot down after the depletion of missiles, then it had to turn back and run away. Does this mean the backward stealth is the issue causing the loss?
• Only jets equipped with AESA radars were able to detect J20 at close range. The other jets were all jammed by J20's radar and cannot function
• Looks like the air force is very happy with J20
• Air force realized the importance of AESA radars (anti-jamming)
• An average PLAAF pilot + Su35 = The best PLAAF Golden Helmet pilot + J11B (I assume)

When it come to a chase, that is if a J-10B/C, J-16 can get behind a J-20, even without the afterburners on, the J-20 will be very vulnerable to J-10B/C, J-16 armed with PL-10. PL-10 is a AIM-9X/Iris-T/ASRAAM class missile. Don't forget the J-10B/C, J-16 also have IRST. They may not even need the RADAR in a tail-chase. In good weather conditions those IRST will have BVR level detection ranges.

F-15, F/A-18E/F, Eurofighters, armed with AIM-9X, ASRAAM score confirmed kills againts the F-22. Even the Rafale with MICA-IR I believe scored kills. Reducing RCS is one thing but reducing IR signature is much harder especially when the afterburners are in full glory.

 

[Pmichael]

Well you can't pick cherry pick your source since the report of the AWAC picking up the J-20 came from the same one that stated it had a sustained turn rate similar to that of the F-16A.

Well, I will not bet my house that the maneuver actually happened as well.

I only stated that shooting down a stealth fighter can be more than "getting a lucky shot".

 

[defenceman]

Hi any memeber can shed some light on my query about j20 not carrying HMDS
So if it’s not carrying or having one at the moment isn’t it like j20 will be used for longe range missile
Only so shot and scout kind of scenario if I’m not wrong as in wvr it definitely need HMDS
Any input from some senior will be appreciated
Thank you

 

[siegecrossbow]

Hi any memeber can shed some light on my query about j20 not carrying HMDS
So if it’s not carrying or having one at the moment isn’t it like j20 will be used for longe range missile
Only so shot and scout kind of scenario if I’m not wrong as in wvr it definitely need HMDS
Any input from some senior will be appreciated
Thank you

Considering the fact that the J-20 has dedicated sidebays for IR missiles I doubt that it is only intended for shoot/scoot missions. Not sure that HMDS is requisite for WVR engagement.

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[Inst]

You realize the sidebays could also be assigned to ECM pods and gun pods, right? I'm not saying that the J-20 is not designed for air superiority, just that the sidebays aren't sufficient evidence.

 

[siegecrossbow]

You realize the sidebays could also be assigned to ECM pods and gun pods, right? I'm not saying that the J-20 is not designed for air superiority, just that the sidebays aren't sufficient evidence.

You need to open the bay to let an ECM pod out?

 

[Blitzo]

You realize the sidebays could also be assigned to ECM pods and gun pods, right? I'm not saying that the J-20 is not designed for air superiority, just that the sidebays aren't sufficient evidence.

I agree that merely having dedicated SRAAM bays or mounts is not particularly strong evidence for any aircraft's role just because they have it.

In the case of J-20 there are much much stronger and more complex arguments to be made than what siege has put forward.



But your suggestion that the side bays could be for gun pods or ECM pods is unconvincing as well. If anything, I think your argument would be stronger without that suggestion.

 

[siegecrossbow]

I agree that merely having dedicated SRAAM bays or mounts is not particularly strong evidence for any aircraft's role just because they have it.

In the case of J-20 there are much much stronger and more complex arguments to be made than what siege has put forward.



But your suggestion that the side bays could be for gun pods or ECM pods is unconvincing as well. If anything, I think your argument would be stronger without that suggestion.

My original intention was to address defenceman's claim that the J-20 could only be used to fire long range missiles in shoot and scoot operations. An IR missile is certainly not a long range missile and almost certainly intended for WVR use. I didn't even bring up the air superiority debate (which Inst did).

 

[Blitzo]

My original intention was to address defenceman's claim that the J-20 could only be used to fire long range missiles in shoot and scoot operations. An IR missile is certainly not a long range missile and almost certainly intended for WVR use. I didn't even bring up the air superiority debate (which Inst did).

Yes, but defenceman's question was asking about whether J-20 was a "shoot and scoot" aircraft. That question is directly related to, if not a merely different phrasing, of asking what J-20's role is meant to be.



@defenceman -- whether an aircraft has an HMDS is not the most important determinant for the role of an aircraft. For example, if we gave a P-3C pilot an HMDS to cue AIM-9Xs with that would not make it an air superiority fighter, yet the fact that F-22 still does not have an HMDS does not make it a "shoot and scoot" fighter either.

 

[ougoah]

What's the reliability of this source? The best gunfighter? Assuming he means within PLAAF otherwise how on earth would he be able to confidently say that? And even if J-20 is indeed the best gunfighter, they didn't even install a gun? Seriously even the Americans relinquished and decided it's still better to be safe and sacrifice some weight and space for a gun. Obviously still a very relevant weapon for a fighter even today.