J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

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Deino

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It's been revealed in a talk by the designer of China's next generation (IIRC) air-to-air missile that it's been tested on the 4th gen platform (J-20). The missile can fly backwards to intercept targets behind the jet.


Surely not !

Most likely an AAM with a very huge high-off-boresight capability but not a missile able to "fly backwards".
 

manqiangrexue

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Surely not !

Most likely an AAM with a very huge high-off-boresight capability but not a missile able to "fly backwards".
I was actually thinking about how this might be done. It's definitely not a missile that flies backwards but what if it was the function of the pylon? This pylon holds the missile in place by 2 points: one near the fore and one near the aft. When a launch at a rear-target is ordered, the pylon may have a spring mechanism that ejects the head of the missile more forcefully than the rear by a calculated amount that results in the missile's head swinging down and to the rear nearly 180 degrees instantly after the missile leaves the bay. The missile can then activate and launch normally facing the rear.

I'm not saying this is any existing technology but it is a design that I imagined for a rear-firing missile.
 

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this website is Guancha. It's reliability is unknown to me. Either the writer knows something or he is just writing a novel
  • Pair of J-20 vs a number of other jets plus KJ500
    • result: one J-20 was shot down, KJ500 and a few jets were shot down by J20
  • J-20, J-16, vs a whole lot of jets plus ground forces
    • result: one J-16 was shot down,
 
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this website is Guancha. It's reliability is unknown to me. Either the writer knows something or he is just writing a novel
  • Pair of J-20 vs a number of other jets plus KJ500
    • result: one J-20 was shot down, KJ500 and a few jets were shot down by J20
  • J-20, J-16, vs a whole lot of jets plus ground forces
    • result: one J-16 was shot down,

J-20 loss, was probably in WVR. Once you force 5th gen fighters into WVR the odds even up a lot.
 

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J-20 loss, was probably in WVR. Once you force 5th gen fighters into WVR the odds even up a lot.

The original article claimed that each J-20 carried a Lunberg lens and that both planes had to fly "under the radar" at a very low altitude to approach the enemy AWAC. In order to ensure a kill, one J-20 made a dangerously close approach to the KJ-500 while the other one picked off defending 4th/4.5th fighters from a distance. The KJ-500 managed to pick up the J-20's radar signature during its death throes and one 4.5th fighter made a lucky shot that brought down the J-20.

Keep in mind that neither J-20 carried IR missiles for this mission.
 
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Air Force Brat

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I was actually thinking about how this might be done. It's definitely not a missile that flies backwards but what if it was the function of the pylon? This pylon holds the missile in place by 2 points: one near the fore and one near the aft. When a launch at a rear-target is ordered, the pylon may have a spring mechanism that ejects the head of the missile more forcefully than the rear by a calculated amount that results in the missile's head swinging down and to the rear nearly 180 degrees instantly after the missile leaves the bay. The missile can then activate and launch normally facing the rear.

I'm not saying this is any existing technology but it is a design that I imagined for a rear-firing missile.

Well the high off bore-sight missile might do the trick?? I have rather grave doubts?? but it will shoot an aircraft well off the centerline.

on the other hand, I'm afraid your missile would likely break up, and if it didn't, might not be able to start its engines,,, maybe someone can help you sketch your dream on paper and post it??

to fire a high off bore sight missile and hope to hit anything, its much, much better to have an HMS, but unless you're flying the F-35, there's no guarantee that you would see him directly behind you???
 

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The original article claimed that each J-20 carried a Lunberg lens and that both planes had to fly "under the radar" at a very low altitude to approach the enemy AWAC. In order to ensure a kill, one J-20 made a dangerously close approach to the KJ-500 while the other one picked off defending 4th/4.5th fighters from a distance. The KJ-200 managed to pick up the J-20's radar signature during its death throes and one 4.5th fighter made a lucky shot that brought down the J-20.

Keep in mind that neither J-20 carried IR missiles for this mission.

What the heck?! The kills were with Lunberg lenses? :eek: And no IR missiles? :eek::eek: Thats insane! J-20 sounds seriously over-powered in that case.

By the way was that a typo or were there 2x AWACS (1x KJ-500 & 1x KJ-200)? And any idea what the opposing fighters were?
 
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