J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

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Richard Santos

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I am surprised the actuator bulges under the wings do not align with direction of flight. But perhaps they align with local airflow in what is expected to be the most critical flight regime.
 

taxiya

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that is propaganda, without TVC nozzles and without evident proof it supercruises the jet is 100% underpowered, F-22 has supercruise capability because it has excess power at military power how it will surpass the F-22 in maneuvrability if it can not supercruise faster or at least as fast?
:eek:just after saying RCS <= Length, now you are saying maneuverability <= speed. (<= means translate).

You have endless "ingenuity" to amuse us.:rolleyes:
 

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See, this title immediately made me realize this article would be garbage. The very tone of this title is a little bit presumptuous, bordering on arrogant. Did Janes really think that J-20 would provide any "answers" that we didn't already know?

More importantly, did anyone at Jane's (or any other defence media) actually think that the Air Force would allow their new fighters to actually show their stuff or make an extended performance at the air show? I think anyone with common sense about how the Chinese military operates and their overall opsec who read rumours of J-20s to appear at Zhuhai would've immediately come to the likely conclusion that their appearance would not have been extended nor comprehensive, but merely a teaser instead. Possibly not even an aerial display of any kind, only a level fly by (we of course got more than this).



So another ignorant article by people who know little to nothing about the Chinese military.
Thumbs down.


At this point I'm wondering why we even bother reading English language defence media about J-20 or even other China defence matters. Their only purpose seems to be attending trade expos and air shows to give us the unabridged information about new products from the manufacturer.
But beyond that their commentary and analysis is amateur.
 

b787

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:eek:just after saying RCS <= Length, now you are saying maneuverability <= speed. (<= means translate).

You have endless "ingenuity" to amuse us.:rolleyes:
probably you do not know physics.

Angle of bank and thrust are related=sustained turn rates, a supercruising F-22 has higher thrust than a J-20 with lower thrust uncapable to supercruise, you can fool fans but not physics
 

Inst

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I think the big issue with both TVC and canards is that they have a sort of "not-invented-here" aura attached to them. They are both useful techniques in aircraft, serving similar ends, but a lot of technology and R&D is needed to make them work. Consequently, those that have gone the canard route are fast to bash those who have gone the TVC route (heavy, instantaneous turns bleed energy quickly), and those who have gone the TVC route are fast to bash those who have gone the canard route (draggy, reduces stealth). But it need not be an either-or; look at the X-37, which combines TVC and canards for exceptional maneuverability and stealth compared to a conventional tailed aircraft; the omission of tailfins more than compensates for the stealth and drag penalty induced by the canards.
 
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