J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

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Jeff Head said:
It may well be CGI...but it is beautiful all the same and certainly represents what the real thing will look like when/if we ever get such a shot.

Very nice.
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Any enemy fighter's that sees this on their six will have that "...oh chit" moment. Time to take out a quick peek photo of your wife and kids before meeting one's creator. The F-22 has the same effect as well.;):p:D
 
kwaigonegin

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Equation said:
Any enemy fighter's that sees this on their six will have that "...oh chit" moment. Time to take out a quick peek photo of your wife and kids before meeting one's creator. The F-22 has the same effect as well.;):p:D
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Not to be pedantic but if an OPFOR 'sees' the J20 on his six, it means that the J20 done screwed up! LOL same with the Raptor. hehehe
For the most part J20 was designed with BVR in mind.
 
kwaigonegin

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Air Force Brat said:
Kwai, one of the classroom one on one aides I work with said she and her husband saw the Blues, Snowbirds, and the F-22 at Chesterfield, Mo Saturday? ARG!
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Yes and there was a B2 flyover from Whiteman as well... and no I didn't go either.. had too much going on last weekend...
Next year though keep your calender open. There is potential for a show at Scott for their centenial celebration. they use to have it annually but not in the past few years.
 
kwaigonegin

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Equation said:
Nah the J-20 or the F-22 Raptor didn't screw up, they just ran out of missiles and decided to go after their last victim with guns within visual range.:D
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In that case for the sake of the J20 let's hope the bogey is not a Typhoon, Rafale or blk 52 + Viper LOL hehehe at gun range I think these 4th Gen holds a slight advantage
 
kwaigonegin

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SinoSoldier said:
Why would you say that? The F-22/J-20 would have substantially higher TWRs vis-a-vis the Typhoon/Rafale/F-16, not to mention TVC.
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Hmm because J20 doesn't have TVC and does not have a higher T/W ?

Maximum T/W:
F-22 = 1.61
Typhoon = 1.76

Rate of Climb:
F-22 = 200 m/s
Typhoon = 315 m/s

Instantaneous turn rate/Sustain turn rate:30~35/>20(degree/sec)

In a one on one match within gun range I would hazard a guess and say Typhoon holds an advantage over the J20. It is about parity to Raptor WVR but only because the Raptor has 2D TVC but even then the wrong application of TVC could prove disastrous for the Raptor because of sudden and immense loss of energy and in WVR energy management is everything .
 
SinoSoldier

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kwaigonegin said:
Hmm because J20 doesn't have TVC and does not have a higher T/W ?

Maximum T/W:
F-22 = 1.61
Typhoon = 1.76

Rate of Climb:
F-22 = 200 m/s
Typhoon = 315 m/s

Instantaneous turn rate/Sustain turn rate:30~35/>20(degree/sec)

In a one on one match within gun range I would hazard a guess and say Typhoon holds an advantage over the J20. It is about parity to Raptor WVR but only because the Raptor has 2D TVC but even then the wrong application of TVC could prove disastrous for the Raptor because of sudden and immense loss of energy and in WVR energy management is everything .
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Interesting; the Eurofighter does have a very high T/W ratio; 1.66 for empty weight (I'm not sure how you arrived at 1.76) and 1.14 for loaded. The F-22 does retain a TWR advantage against the F-16 and Rafale, nevertheless. I agree that TVC isn't the holy grail for sustained agility, but can be a lifesaver at times.

The J-20 may not have TVC or adequate engines as of now, but if we are to assume that it will sooner or later adopt the WS-15 turbofans, with TVC and 180 kN thrust, its theoretical TWR with an empty weight reaches up to 2.08.
 
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