Yes, the WS-10H is ready now. Meaningless readiness for PLAN now.
J-15 carrier fighter thread
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It was already rumored to be ready by the time when J-15T was inducted but for some reason PLAN refuses to use it.
The J-15T had flown with the WS-10. They wouldn't have bothered if they had never intended to change from the AL-31.
That said, two early J-10Bs had WS-10 before the rest of the variant specimens were completed with the AL-31 as well as the initial J-10Cs. China has a history of going with the AL-31 for production aircraft until the final change.
I think it is safe to follow Yankee/Shilao in not expecting the any change to the current aircraft or the immediate batches of the J-15T. After all, we saw that with the J-10. PLAAF/PLANAF have a lot of history with the AL-31.
But I don't believe for a minute that if the J-15T runs into the hundreds with new aircraft for the upcoming Type 003, 004 and 005 that they would not switch over to a domestic engine like all J-10Cs are now.
The question is whether the J-15 or the WS-10 would be superceded by something else before the engine switch is needed.
That said, two early J-10Bs had WS-10 before the rest of the variant specimens were completed with the AL-31 as well as the initial J-10Cs. China has a history of going with the AL-31 for production aircraft until the final change.
I think it is safe to follow Yankee/Shilao in not expecting the any change to the current aircraft or the immediate batches of the J-15T. After all, we saw that with the J-10. PLAAF/PLANAF have a lot of history with the AL-31.
But I don't believe for a minute that if the J-15T runs into the hundreds with new aircraft for the upcoming Type 003, 004 and 005 that they would not switch over to a domestic engine like all J-10Cs are now.
The question is whether the J-15 or the WS-10 would be superceded by something else before the engine switch is needed.
That was just one singular land-based prototype that's allegedly not even intensively used/trialed on, using an old iteration of the WS-10s.
Why are they even brewing themselves a pointless F-14D situation in the first place?
Introducing another engine ecosystem is unavoidable, be it WS-10s or whatever engines the J-XD-S uses.
Wouldn't getting the maintenance folks familiarising themselves with indigenous engines and ironing out any potential problems with their integration ASAP be a better plan instead of waiting for the potential problems to blow up when the J-XD-S comes?
The showcase in Zhuhai airshow was the full fledge ready J-15T with WS-10 Engines.
correct me if i m wrong.. aren't 2-3 units of J-15 have WS-10 engines ??
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No, there aren't any J-15s with WS-15 engines. And they certainly won't be the first ones in the Sino-Flanker family to have WS-15s.
i m really sorry, i meant to say WS-10..
1) J-XDS will not be on WS-10s,
2) Both the J-15 and J-15T have been seen with WS-10s. That shows me they had every intention of putting the WS-10 on the J-15 family. So this idea that they are creating a "situation" for themselves without forethought is baseless. If it is just a passing phase then they would have just left the WS-10 on the J-15 and not proceed at all to another airframe on the J-15T,
3) There are well over 100 J-15/J-15Ts which is a significant number that they probably won't want to re-engine and it would further make sense for immediate batches of J-15T produced to fly alongside these on the two STOBARs and the initial Type 003 to keep the AL-31. Mixing engines on the same air wing is most likely what the PLAN wants to avoid in the Yankee/Shilao scenario.
Again, this is just a take from two posters in Chinese SM, though well respected. PLAN will use domestic engines in future aircraft like the J-35 and the J-XDS.
But the J-15 and WS-10 families might not be guaranteed for the second Type 003, 004 or 005 so re-engining them might be moot.
It all depends on whether they will need to build enough new J-15Ts to outfit air wings without mixing in older batches of J-15 variants and creating support for two engine types.
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If WS-10H is already available, but due to some political and logistical issues it's not put into service.
1) Is WS-10H spooling issue resolved.
2) Is overall performance and TWR similar to latest AL-31F engine.
3) Until and unless used frequently and in large quantities in seaborne conditions, one cannot come to certain conclusion what issues it may face while operating in seaborne condition.
Also whatever issue it may face it could be rectified and iterative performance could be enhanced.
4) If incase Russia is unable to provide engine due to certain war or any other issue who would be carrying out the mass testing of WS-10H engine. Whatever logistical issues which we are facing right now could turn out to be very big deal if war breaks out which involves China's interest. Should never be depended on foreign supplier (even if it's a close ally) when the alternative is readily available.
5) Indigenization of local parts and assembly is must and you can't be depended on foreign supplier and that to heart of the fighter plane.
1) Is WS-10H spooling issue resolved.
2) Is overall performance and TWR similar to latest AL-31F engine.
3) Until and unless used frequently and in large quantities in seaborne conditions, one cannot come to certain conclusion what issues it may face while operating in seaborne condition.
Also whatever issue it may face it could be rectified and iterative performance could be enhanced.
4) If incase Russia is unable to provide engine due to certain war or any other issue who would be carrying out the mass testing of WS-10H engine. Whatever logistical issues which we are facing right now could turn out to be very big deal if war breaks out which involves China's interest. Should never be depended on foreign supplier (even if it's a close ally) when the alternative is readily available.
5) Indigenization of local parts and assembly is must and you can't be depended on foreign supplier and that to heart of the fighter plane.
TBH, I'm pretty sceptical that they would test the WS-10 on an original J-15 and then on the J-15T and not eventually move to the WS-10 at some point.
This is exactly the J-10B scenario:
This is exactly the J-10B scenario: