J-15 carrier fighter thread

[sunnymaxi]

Unfortunately, Yankee and Shilao seems to suggest that the J-15 family may never get WS-10s in one of their latest podcasts.

【歼15为什么一直用俄发？】

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To sum it up:

- Mainly for logistical consistency and ease of maintenance (as dealing with 3 different engines on a single carrier will become pretty challenging).
- The new/upgraded variant of the AL-31F has increased thrusts, and its performance is sufficient for the J-15 family's needs.
- There are no technological, performance and production capacity issues that can be related to the decision to not employ WS-10s on the J-15 family.
- The current production J-15 family is definitely not using "remaining AL-31Fs in storage" (given how there are only about ~40+ Su-33, but there are already more than 100 units of the J-15 family today) - Meaning that the new-built J-15Ts/DTs are definitely using new-built AL-31Fs.
- PLANAF pilots have always been using AL-31Fs till now, hence there may no longer the need to swap the J-15 family's engines for WS-10s (mainly because the pilots are already used to the operations of the AL-31Fs).
- In the next 10-20 years, the AL-31F will continue become a very important/part of Chinese carrier's flight decks (namely, the J-15 family will keep using them).
- As a means of maintaining "military diplomacy goodwill" between China and Russia (this may also relate to the Sino-Flanker agreements between China and Russia).

If this is true, then I suppose the WS-10H2 may only see first usages on future carrier-based UCAVs (and maybe even the LRIP J-XD(S)Hs in case the WS-15H is not ready).

i swear, exactly the same words as mine if anyone follow my posts on this forum..

i have been saying this for past two years. ''there is no technological Bottleneck with WS-10 to not to use for carrier operations''. today confirmed by Yankee and Shilao.

Last year J-15T appeared with WS-10 Engine in Zhuhai air show was a confirmation that WS-10 has no problem.. its all PLAN decision to go with existing engine for J-15.

a little disappointment that, due to fear of logistics and maintenance PLAN rejected WS-10 Engines.

 

[PersianPrince]

Oh I'm sure that being hesitant to commit to indigenous engines for your carrier wing is a great PLAN (hehe) and relying on another country (that doesn't particularly care for you anyway) for that is way less vulnerable. The WS-10H definitely exists only because they might run out of AL-31Fs instead of, I dunno, trying to be self-sufficient altogether.

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PLAN has no responsibility for becoming 'a great PLAN' in someone's fantasy.

 

[Alfa_Particle]

PLAN has no responsibility for becoming 'a great PLAN' in someone's fantasy.

Did you not get the pun or?

And it's not like you can avoid the swap to indigenous engines anyway (with the J-XD-S). Why are they not getting this over with ASAP and sorting out whatever problems while they can?

Pointless delay fuelled by a short-sighted reason, this is.

 

[Tomboy]

Or potentially we are wrong about J-15's role and future, J-15 might not be here to stay afterall and might be phased out soon.

 

[PersianPrince]

Did you not get the pun or?

And it's not like you can avoid the swap to indigenous engines anyway (with the J-XD-S). Why are they not getting this over with ASAP and sorting out whatever problems while they can?

Pointless delay fuelled by a short-sighted reason, this is.

Don't you know they need to prepare for war? Why should PLAN pay for the delay of domestic engines?

 

[sunnymaxi]

Don't you know they need to prepare for war? Why should PLAN pay for the delay of domestic engines?

seems like you didn't read what @ACuriousPLAFan post.. there is no delay in WS-10H engine. in fact engine is ready to serve but it is PLAN decision to go with existing AL-31 engine due to logistics and maintenance.

 

[Alfa_Particle]

Don't you know they need to prepare for war? Why should PLAN pay for the delay of domestic engines?

seems like you didn't read what @ACuriousPLAFan post.. there is no delay WS-10H engine. in fact engine is ready to serve but it is PLAN decision to go with existing AL-31 engine due to logistics and maintenance.

...which they'll have to face eventually. But instead of biting the bullet and getting on with it ASAP, no, they'll delay it instead to potentially even more sensitive times. There's no need to sugarcoat it: this is just plain shortsighted stupidity.

 

[PersianPrince]

seems like you didn't read what @ACuriousPLAFan post.. there is no delay in WS-10H engine. in fact engine is ready to serve but it is PLAN decision to go with existing AL-31 engine due to logistics and maintenance.

LOL if there is no delay, J-15 should have flown with WS-10 at the very beginning.

 

[sunnymaxi]

LOL if there is no delay, J-15 should have flown with WS-10 at the very beginning.

Yes. now you completed your sentence.

its obvious, at that time WS-10 wasn't ready so they opted for Russian Engine. but now domestic option is ready they still choose Russian machine coz of logistic and maintenance. which is fine. its their decision.

 

[Alfa_Particle]

LOL if there is no delay, J-15 should have flown with WS-10 at the very beginning.

There obviously were delays when the old J-15 first flew. But not now, as Yankee and Shilao established. Unless you rate yourself as more credible than them, that is.