J-15 carrier fighter thread
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Rafale is at least somewhat stealthy From the front quarter, almost certainly substantially more so than F-18, J-16/Su-33 and MiG-29.
The biggest Operational advantage the Chinese could have gained using primarily J-16/Su-33 is a potentially massive Unrefuelled range that practical truly stealthy carrier aircraft, or any Other existing carrier aircraft, will likely be unable to match. So I think strategically it is more important for the Chinese navy to deploy catobar carriers, AEW aircraft, integration with satellite and other reconnaissance platforms, with J-16 then it might first appear.
Also, if a navy deploys a mix of truly stealthy and unstealthy aircraft from carrier decks, then j-16/Su-33 would have another advantage which would only have been shared by the now defunct F-14. That is it is a very large aircraft able to accommodate a very large and powerful radar, far larger than f-18. Rafale and MiG-29 can handle. Collaboration between non-stealthy tactical aircraft with very powerful radar and all-aspect stealthy Aircraft is probably the way to go in the next 10-20 years.
The biggest Operational advantage the Chinese could have gained using primarily J-16/Su-33 is a potentially massive Unrefuelled range that practical truly stealthy carrier aircraft, or any Other existing carrier aircraft, will likely be unable to match. So I think strategically it is more important for the Chinese navy to deploy catobar carriers, AEW aircraft, integration with satellite and other reconnaissance platforms, with J-16 then it might first appear.
Also, if a navy deploys a mix of truly stealthy and unstealthy aircraft from carrier decks, then j-16/Su-33 would have another advantage which would only have been shared by the now defunct F-14. That is it is a very large aircraft able to accommodate a very large and powerful radar, far larger than f-18. Rafale and MiG-29 can handle. Collaboration between non-stealthy tactical aircraft with very powerful radar and all-aspect stealthy Aircraft is probably the way to go in the next 10-20 years.
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I think you mean the J15 sir.
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Lieutenant General
if China wants to succeed in carrier opps to needs to master night operations
as well as low EW operations
believe it or not a carrier strike group is a very large field of electronic signals which can be tracked
operating aircraft in low EW is also a challenge
as well as low EW operations
believe it or not a carrier strike group is a very large field of electronic signals which can be tracked
operating aircraft in low EW is also a challenge
J-15 isn't exactly the same as Su-33 though. It's developed from a Su-33 prototype that China acquired from Ukraine around the year 2000 or 2001. It's installed with Chinese avionics (more advanced than what the Russians had) and Chinese engines (reportedly WS-10A).
Operational J-15s are currently outfitted with Russian AL-31 engines so far because WS-10s are not reliable enough yet to work at sea. J-15 uses more composites in its construction, resulting in lighter weight by about 2 tons.
J-11BH of the PLAN, which is a land-based naval aircraft, is fitted with WS-10. They are good enough to work at sea. Just not on a ship borne aircraft yet.
The fundamental airframe is essentially the same, The engine characteristics are essentially the same. and the models are similar in payload/range characteristics.
By all apparence, the Chinese J-15 now actually reflected less airframe and power plant characteristic improvements compared to the original Su-33 from 30 years ago than versions of many typical 4th generation fighters that came out 20-30 years after the original model shows compared to the original model. For example, the the J-15 is more similar to the su-33 than F-14D is to F-14A, and much more similar than the F-18E is to F-18A.