J-15 carrier fighter thread

[Brumby]

Any new serials?

How many J15 can the Chinese carriers get in the air and in what time scale?

What’s the launch and recover rates

What’s the turnaround times

What’s the time from below deck to launch

So many question we need answers too

You are not going to get that type of information any time soon if ever. These type of information projects the type of tempo the carrier aviation wing is able to operate at. China is still at an early stage of development. It is still lacking in J-15 numbers to train at a sustained tempo rate. So far all we have seen are photo ops. What I would look for are videos of successive aircraft recovery to get a sense of how quickly they can recover aircrafts in succession. For example, the USMC can launch 8 Harriers in 100 seconds and recover all eight in between 2 to 4 minutes.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

You are not going to get that type of information any time soon if ever. These type of information projects the type of tempo the carrier aviation wing is able to operate at. China is still at an early stage of development. It is still lacking in J-15 numbers to train at a sustained tempo rate. So far all we have seen are photo ops. What I would look for are videos of successive aircraft recovery to get a sense of how quickly they can recover aircrafts in succession. For example, the USMC can launch 8 Harriers in 100 seconds and recover all eight in between 2 to 4 minutes.

Well they already have 6 years of carrier operation experience under their belt. And they do practise rush deployment as far as I know And I don't think you need hundred of aircraft to do it
You can time the deployment of subsequent 2 aircraft So they do know but of course they don't broadcast it It is secret

But the function of Laoning is to train more pilots and develop strategy how to deploy a carrier in conjunction with her escort

I just read today the commander of the carrier said Liaoning is now transition from training carrie rto full combat capability. I post if I can find it again I don't think it is boasting

 

[Intrepid]

What I would look for are videos of successive aircraft recovery to get a sense of how quickly they can recover aircrafts in succession.

There are videos that they recover half a dozen aircraft nose in around the island, and an other half dozen at the bow and on the first elevator. I think, that is the maximum number.

Recovery rate seems to be the same than on US-Navy carriers with one aircraft every 40 seconds.

 

[Brumby]

There are videos that they recover half a dozen aircraft nose in around the island, and an other half dozen at the bow and on the first elevator. I think, that is the maximum number.

Recovery rate seems to be the same than on US-Navy carriers with one aircraft every 40 seconds.

Thanks. My sense is that the rule of thumb between launch and recovery timing is typically 2X. If I am not mistaken, a dozen J-15 on deck is approximately 50 % capacity utilisation in terms of operating tempo and on sortie generation. The real challenge will be launch and recovery with a full deck - something I presume we haven't seen based on your observation.
Can someone please provide a link to the dozen or so J-15 on deck. Personally I have only seen 8 at most.

 

[Intrepid]

Can someone please provide a link to the dozen or so J-15 on deck. Personally I have only seen 8 at most.

We know one photo with 13 aircraft on deck, but that is not an operational situation. That was especialy for photoshooting (the aircraft positioned aft blocking the runway strip, the aircraft parking against the island positioned there with the help of a towing truck).

There are some videos in the internet showing recovery phase with aircraft clearing the runway strip (immediately, remember the 40-seconds-separation). They are parked nose in against the island, on the foredeck and on the forward elevator. The last aircraft remaining inside the fool line was number 12 or 13 - that seems to be the maximum number.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

Here is the comment of the Liaoning deputy commander as to transition to full combat capability
I guess with the new refit and addition of more jam resistant sensor this is to be realized

Aircraft carrier Liaoning Deputy captain "Our aircraft carrier Liaoning is changing from a practice ship and test ship to the ship of possible full combat capability, this process is believed to be in early phase and we will realize our goal soon. 」

 

[bd popeye]

Can someone please provide a link to the dozen or so J-15 on deck. Personally I have only seen 8 at most.

Sure can. As posted by yours truly on 27 December 2016;

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/cv...iews-and-operations.t8030/page-44#post-430995

 

[Intrepid]

This is a typical view of the deck with 8 aircraft just recovered:

 

[Brumby]

Sure can. As posted by yours truly on 27 December 2016;

If I am not mistaken isn't the guard helicopter meant to be airborne rather than on deck if an aircraft launch is imminent?

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/cv...iews-and-operations.t8030/page-44#post-430995

 

[Brumby]

This is a typical view of the deck with 8 aircraft just recovered:

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If it is a training sortie generation exercise, would the nose be facing in after recovery if the intention is to refuel and then relaunch? I noticed typically USN aircraft are nose facing out. Am I missing something?