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Blackstone

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Uhhh...since when didn't China report serious accidents?

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BEIJING (Caixin Online) — The attempted cover-up of two recent industrial accidents in Shanxi Province has dealt yet another blow to government credibility in China.

In the first, the China Railway Tunnel Group — a supposedly “well-managed state-owned enterprise” — tried to cover up a deadly explosion at a construction project, even going to extent of moving the bodies elsewhere for cremation.

In the second, the Changzhi city plant of the Shanxi Tianji Coal Chemical Industry Group leaked nine tons of the toxic chemical aniline into a river. The accident came to light only after the city of Handan, downstream in Hebei, raised the alarm about the quality of its drinking water.

The Changzhi government said it had assumed the matter was a “minor incident,” and thus didn’t report it to higher authorities. Many questions about the case have yet to be answered and only frontline workers have been held accountable so far.

Such cover-ups recall the painful memory of SARS in 2003, where an official cover-up slowed efforts to contain the outbreak. The heavy price in lives lost should have awakened officials to the dangers of such malfeasance.

Sadly, that isn’t the case. Caixin has found that, in Shanxi alone, officials tried to cover up at least four serious accidents last year. Similar cover-ups also happened in the other provinces, including Henan and Hunan.

The consequences of a cover-up can be grave, often involving a bigger loss of life and property. Take the Shanxi aniline leak. This accident wasn’ of the same scale as the benzene spill in Songhua River or the algae bloom that plagued the polluted Lake Tai.

If Shanxi officials had alerted the public to the contamination early on, fewer people would have been affected. At the very least, rumors wouldn’t have spread and public panic could have been averted.

Worse, a cover-up adds to the mistrust of government. As some commentators have pointed out, the consequences of a cover-up are in fact more harmful than the accident officials were trying to hide in the first place.

The central government in fact demands the timely reporting of accidents. In 2007, the State Council set out the rules on the reporting and investigation of work accidents, and no fewer than six agencies — including those in charge of state inspection, public security and work safety — jointly issued a notice urging local governments to “step up their efforts to investigate any accident cover-up and punish those responsible according to law.”

Why, then, do officials still seek to delay reporting on work accidents, or omit, misrepresent or even lie about the facts? Why, in some parts of China, has this behavior become the norm rather than the exception? The answer is the gain from hiding the truth far outweighs the potential punishment if one were found out.

Private companies keep quiet about workplace accidents for fear of a loss of business, preferring to pay off the victims and their families. By contrast, the managers of state-owned enterprises don’t care about the business; they worry about losing their positions.

Government officials have rather more to fear. They worry they might be blamed for lax supervision; they may have growth targets they are anxious to meet; if corruption were involved in dealings with the company in trouble, they fear being found out. All in all, hiding the truth would seem the rational choice.

These distorted incentives must change. First, we should strengthen oversight. Within the system, the National People’s Congress and the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference must step up their supervision of government power; outside the system, the public can be an effective watchdog. Increasingly, the media and Internet users have played critical roles in the exposure of these cover-ups.

Second, any cover-up must be severely punished. Under new rules that took effect on Jan. 9, the judiciary and state prosecutors will seek to deal more harshly with any failure of reporting that “prolongs the damage, causes it to be more serious, or delays rescue efforts.” We can only hope this rule is strictly enforced.

After SARS, hopes were high that officials would henceforth be held accountable for their mistakes. It has been disappointing that, since then, some officials responsible for the outbreak and other debacles were able to make a comeback quietly; some were even promoted.

Clearly there’s much work to be done. A more effective system is desperately needed in a place like Shanxi, which appears plagued by workplace accidents.

China can also learn from overseas experience. For example, Britain’s 2004 Civil Contingencies Act set out the government’s responsibilities to inform and warn the citizens in an emergency, and gave citizens the right to sue in case of a cover-up.

Whether or not those involved in a cover-up can be punished by law reflects the standards of governance. China needs to build a strong monitoring and accountability system, and get the incentives right, so that the cost of covering up an accident outweighs the benefits of doing so.

In Shanxi, officials have promised a thorough investigation into the aniline spill and say they will punish whoever is found guilty of a cover-up. We hope we don’t have to wait long for action.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Have you got any proof that Chinese Govt (since let say 1980) didn't report any serious accidents? .. or just from your "hatred" biased wild imaginations ? :mad:
If you count SoEs as part of the government, and I'd argue they are, then here's an article from the People's Daily about CCP government cover-up.

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BEIJING -- A subsidiary of the China Railway Tunnel Group purposefully concealed a fatal railway tunnel explosion that occurred on December 25 in north China's Shanxi Province, the State Council's Work Safety Committee said Thursday.

Eight people were killed and five were injured in the explosion, which occurred on a section of railway tunnel that was under construction, the committee said in a statement.

Authorities confirmed the explosion on December 30, one day after it was revealed online by netizens, the statement said.

An initial investigation singled out illegal blasting operations as the cause of the accident, as well as revealed that the explosion was concealed by the construction project's manager.

An investigative team has been set up to probe the accident, local authorities said.

The statement said authorities will step up crackdowns on the concealment of fatal accidents and implement greater punishments for those found responsible.

The statement also mentioned three other workplace accidents that occurred over the last week, including a platform collapse in a parking lot that was being built to support a metro line in Shanghai. The accident left five dead and 18 others injured.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Military accidents, if you will.
As you no doubt know, info on Chinese military accident cover-ups are tough to come by, but here's an old article that provides some evidence. It's he said/she said, and not conclusive evidence, but probably as good as we public would see until Chinese officials fess up and make things public. The article is long so I'll quote the relevant part for our discussion.

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... For years before that accident, Chinese space executives tried to cover up the causes of the errors, U.S. industry executives said. In almost every case, the Chinese denied that their Long March rockets had been at fault and blamed the Western-built satellites...
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Don't be thick. Within the context of this thread. When has China covered up any of its air force accidents?
You're the one playing games, when you know very well if the CCP wants to cover up something, it's not hard unless someone already shared a smartphone video. I linked some articles outlining potential CCP coverups, and that's about all we'll see, unless the CCP confesses to past sins.
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
You're the one playing games, when you know very well if the CCP wants to cover up something, it's not hard unless someone already shared a smartphone video. I linked some articles outlining potential CCP coverups, and that's about all we'll see, unless the CCP confesses to past sins.
The CCP isn't a monolith. Sweeping judgements don't work very well. The articles you cite talk about a different domain of news with different government actors. My point was that we hear about flight accidents in the PLA pretty frequently. It's not unusual, so it's quite curious why you would think that this is somehow noteworthy.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
The CCP isn't a monolith. Sweeping judgements don't work very well. The articles you cite talk about a different domain of news with different government actors. My point was that we hear about flight accidents in the PLA pretty frequently. It's not unusual, so it's quite curious why you would think that this is somehow noteworthy.
Go read my original post 1982. I standby it.
 

antiterror13

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If you count SoEs as part of the government, and I'd argue they are, then here's an article from the People's Daily about CCP government cover-up.

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Well @Blackstone ... I can find thousands similar "cover up" by American corporation or agency or SOE or White House ... be fair and no biased please

we are talking about military aircraft accident here ..... hard to find? ;) perhaps you need to google harder and harder .. you will find it somewhere ... reported by Japanese biased medias or government
 
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