J-15 carrier fighter thread

[plawolf]

Very nice. But I think China should invest in the development of smokeless propellant. Even the Indians with their Astra BVRAAM have it. The advantages are not to be underestimated.

Smoke is a bit of a red herring when it comes to BVRAAMs, since they only achieve their full range by turning into gliders (why they rely on control surfaces, tend to have large fins and don't use TVC).

If you are using them right, your BVRAAMs should have used up all their fuel long before coming within visual range of their target, so whether there is smoke during the burn phase is really essentially meaningless.

If using 'dirty' propellant gives you better range/speed/weight/cost compared to smokeless, it's a good trade off to get those other benefits at the expense of a negative that shouldn't really even come into play.

Smoke free propellant is far more important on WVRAAMs, so it would be interesting to see some launch videos of the new PL10.

 

[Blackstone]

Tatatata ....

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Is it certain the factory serialize J-15 builds in sequence?

 

[vesicles]

Is it certain the factory serialize J-15 builds in sequence?

You mean they might've skipped some #'s and jumped to 120?

Jeff has carefully catalogued all the J-15's in serial production, from 100 all the way up to 119. He has actually posted photos of ALL the J-15's one by one numerous times. And now we have 120. Nothing has been skipped.

 

[Deino]

Yepp ... I have images of ALL, really ALL number ranging from 100 to 120 !

By the way, here's the video:

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[FORBIN]

Tatatata ....

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Are you able with dates of pics ... give to we an approximate rate of production ?

 

[Hendrik_2000]

Thanks Deino It is an excellent video . It show PLAN is hard at work perfecting their carrier operation. The missile is YJ 83 I assume? 200 Km range and radar guided at terminal stage. A bit outdated

 

[Deino]

Are you able with dates of pics ... give we a rate of production ?

Hmmm ... good idea, even if I'm not sure if all images were up-to-date !

Anyway, just a few...I just picked up the "oldest" image I know and marked the biggest span in bolt:

100 - 22.4.14
101 - 2.5.14
102 - 2.12.13
103 - 2.12.13
104 - 19.5.14
105 - 22.5.14
106 - 20.3.15
107 - 1.10.14
108 - 1.10.14
109 - 12.11.14
... seem to be 10 aircraft between December 2013 and November 2014 = 10 J-15 in 12 months

110 - 5.9.15
111 - 12.10.15
112 - 23.9.15
113 - 3.9.15
114 - 12.10.15
115 - 12.6.16
116 - 16.8.16
117 - 16.5.16
118 - 31.11.16
119 - 30.11.16
120 - 15.12.16
... seems to be 11 aircraft between September 2015 and December 2016 = 11 J-15 in 16 months


Deino

 

[Iron Man]

But there are only 8 aircraft in all those carrier photos. It MUST mean that there are only 8 J-15s in existence because that's obviously all they could muster.

 

[Deino]

But there are only 8 aircraft in all those carrier photos. It MUST mean that there are only 8 J-15s in existence because that's obviously all they could muster.

Sorry, to ask, but is this question real or to provoke ??? ... then I'm missing some sort of smiley.

In the same way since on an US carrier there are also only a certain number of F/A-18s spotted, that means the USN also has only that certain number of aircraft available ???

Come on ... either I did not get that (stupid) joke or it is indeed a stupid reply.... any thought that the reminding J-15s are still flying at their homebase at Hunagdicun ???

Deino

 

[Iron Man]

Smoke is a bit of a red herring when it comes to BVRAAMs, since they only achieve their full range by turning into gliders (why they rely on control surfaces, tend to have large fins and don't use TVC).

If you are using them right, your BVRAAMs should have used up all their fuel long before coming within visual range of their target, so whether there is smoke during the burn phase is really essentially meaningless.

If using 'dirty' propellant gives you better range/speed/weight/cost compared to smokeless, it's a good trade off to get those other benefits at the expense of a negative that shouldn't really even come into play.

Smoke free propellant is far more important on WVRAAMs, so it would be interesting to see some launch videos of the new PL10.

Oh, is that why BVRAAMs are getting smaller and smaller control surfaces these days, because they rely on "gliding"? By the time they are gliding they are bleeding energy like nobody's business and their chances of killing a target aircraft that starts maneuvering to avoid them is exponentially lower; essentially once you run out of fuel your missile is almost done for. There is a reason a missile's NEZ is much less than its maximum range. So if you are using them WRONG your BVRAAMs will have used up all their fuel long before coming within visual range of their target. People design smokeless propellants for good reasons, not because internet posters get things wrong about how missile engagements work and think these designers are wasting money. LOLOLOLOL

Sorry, to ask, but is this question real or to provoke ??? ... then I'm missing some sort of smiley.

In the same way since on an US carrier there are also only a certain number of F/A-18s spotted, that means the USN also has only that certain number of aircraft available ???

Come on ... either I did not get that (stupid) joke or it is indeed a stupid reply.... any thought that the reminding J-15s are still flying at their homebase at Hunagdicun ???

Deino

This is most definitely a joke, meant to remind some people on this forum that their statements/viewpoints are irrational. I don't think I have to name any names.