I mean exercises are one thing and live combat are another and when we see a clear pattern based on both then it is not a stretch to draw conclusions from it.
J-10 Thread IV
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Most countries don't take tactical performance as the only consideration in military acquisition, there are political considerations too. Typhoon is also supposedly better suited for A2G which is something they might be prioritizing a bit more
Typhoon a2g package is weird. Not bad, and very heavy(way heavier than Rafale), just...weird.
It is not an advantage of this platform, and J-10 for the last few years isn't exactly bad at strike.
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Chances are both the PAF and QEAF would've somewhat held back, and as always the RoE and parameters of the exercise might favour one side over the other. Then there is also the likelihood that the PAF knew how to fly their jets better than the QEAF.
All of which is to say, having CCTV corroborate the 9:0 is useful, but it also doesn't change much of our prior consensus wrt the capability of J-10C.
I think it is more useful establishing lower threshold of J-10C capabilities (it is very lethal when flown by competent pilots) than upper threshold. Super useful for debunking claims that it is a useless junk plane pedaled by the usual suspects.
That is what I mean by saying it doesn't change our prior consensus though -- none of the things you wrote are new to us.
And for the ones who claim it's a useless junk plane, are not going to be convinced or debunked by reports of a DACT heavily favour J-10Cs, especially if they were not already convinced after last year's clash.
So sure it's useful for us just to say "okay that happened" but it doesn't really change the narrative much in context of everything else we already had.
The consensus here back in the early to mid 2000s was that J-10 is a solid first effort at an advanced (4th generation) fighter but cannot be considered in the same category as Typhoon and Rafale.
20 years later, the J-10 is easily killing Typhoons in exercises (we don't know ROEs but ROEs could have favoured Typhoon for all we know) and has shot down more than 2 Rafales in combat.
I think it's useless to say the Qatar - Pakistan exercise results with J-10 dominating over Typhoons doesn't change what we already suspect/know to be the general capability status between these fighters in air combat. It reaffirms the general consensus here and it's useful to point out that the J-10 started off as a fighter totally dismissed by everyone except China and even back then, this forum and the PLAAF itself didn't have any expectation the J-10 can best the Typhoon and Rafale yet it's been easily doing this for some time.
Yes the J-10 has evolved more and in greater leaps than the Typhoon and Rafale (especially the Typhoon which isn't given due justice). It is still China's lowest tier fighter and while the Europeans have not moved on from those two platforms which are still the absolute best they have done. They've also barely upgraded their capabilities relative to China. PLAAF has two distinct blocks of J-20, J-35, a host of heavyweight UADFs and two flying 6th generation fighters with multiple prototypes for each.
It's definitely worth pointing out that ejection seat photo of J-10 back in the mid 2000s where plenty of western morons considered the entire J-10 program to be a photoshop program.
20 years later, the J-10 is easily killing Typhoons in exercises (we don't know ROEs but ROEs could have favoured Typhoon for all we know) and has shot down more than 2 Rafales in combat.
I think it's useless to say the Qatar - Pakistan exercise results with J-10 dominating over Typhoons doesn't change what we already suspect/know to be the general capability status between these fighters in air combat. It reaffirms the general consensus here and it's useful to point out that the J-10 started off as a fighter totally dismissed by everyone except China and even back then, this forum and the PLAAF itself didn't have any expectation the J-10 can best the Typhoon and Rafale yet it's been easily doing this for some time.
Yes the J-10 has evolved more and in greater leaps than the Typhoon and Rafale (especially the Typhoon which isn't given due justice). It is still China's lowest tier fighter and while the Europeans have not moved on from those two platforms which are still the absolute best they have done. They've also barely upgraded their capabilities relative to China. PLAAF has two distinct blocks of J-20, J-35, a host of heavyweight UADFs and two flying 6th generation fighters with multiple prototypes for each.
It's definitely worth pointing out that ejection seat photo of J-10 back in the mid 2000s where plenty of western morons considered the entire J-10 program to be a photoshop program.
I am well aware of what the consensus was in the 2000s, however the actual contemporary consensus of the aircraft in the last few years leading to the present has not been changed at all by CCTV "confirming" the outcome of that DACT between the PAF and QEAF.
Again, for the ones who are aware of the aircraft's capability in recent years (especially after May 2025), the CCTV 9:0 does not change anything.
And for the ones who remain ignorant of the aircraft's capability, the CCTV confirmation would not change their minds anyhow.
At least their State knows about the J-10 performance:
I bet I know what the "vulgar" descriptions where. Something sounding like "grape" lmao
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Has this been posted here? Seemingly PAF J-10CE without number, maybe new delivery.
