J-10 Thread IV

[00CuriousObserver]

In the same convo, York disclosed that the J-10 has shot down a J-20 in an exercise, although importantly it was under specific conditions

In general he thinks the J-10 has been quite underrated, especially before last year, and especially considering its importance in terms of the greater PLA aviation industry

Same rumour cautions apply

Well, them taking delivery doesn't necessarily mean we would see anything, especially up until now.

He actually said that part of the reason why the delivery was so fast last time was due to India's Rafale purchase. Balance of power was/is very important.

But things are different this time. He also talked a fair bit about how complex it actually is (to also answer Siege's question) to conduct fighter jet sales, much more complex than selling some ground units. China lacks the kind of export system that the other major exporters have, and it will take time to build

In general, just "be patient"



York also said that at one point China might have agreed to provide the J-10 (the topic was about J-10, but the exact plane wasn't specified) (also it would not be a sale; Kim would "just ask for it") to North Korea. The N Koreans prepped their Sunchon airport, but then the agreement was retracted due to North Korea changing its words about the nuclear stuff. Kim himself was allegedly taken aback by this.

But of course, it's 2026 and things have changed since then. While providing anything of the sort to NK is still unlikely, one should keep a more open mind because, well, things have changed and are changing.

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Also, I've talked about rumours from York before and the caution one should apply. Still should be applied here. As a source for the kind of claims he's making, he's still "unproven"

 

[Wrought]

In the same convo, York disclosed that the J-10 has shot down a J-20 in an exercise, although importantly it was under specific conditions

In general he thinks the J-10 has been quite underrated, especially before last year, and especially considering its importance in terms of the greater PLA aviation industry

Same rumour cautions apply

Stealth is a big advantage, but it hardly makes you invincible. Presumably some fancy networking was involved on the J-10 side.

 

[vincent]

In the same convo, York disclosed that the J-10 has shot down a J-20 in an exercise, although importantly it was under specific conditions

It was reported by CCTV 7.

 

[Gloire_bb]

Stealth is a big advantage, but it hardly makes you invincible. Presumably some fancy networking was involved on the J-10 side.

J-20 uses the same (in principle) AESA radar and IRST to shoot down things. Yes, it's larger/better, and yes, it is built into newer architecture, but either way - if the J-20 can get a fire control solution on a stealth aircraft, so can the J-10.

The J-20 is still fully under all the same normal fighter EMCON tactics; i.e., it doesn't go active 360 degrees through its entire flight. With its modern RWR and EODAS, it's harder to ambush, but it can absolutely be ambushed in the right conditions.

Furthermore, using its stealth characteristics assumes risk. I.e. it can be found and caught well within the mock fight NEZ.

 

[Alfa_Particle]

CCTV has just straight-up said that the J-10CE completely steamrolled the Typhoon during exercises with a 9:0 (to no one's surprise, really).

 

[bsdnf]

CCTV has just straight-up said that the J-10CE completely steamrolled the Typhoon during exercises with a 9:0 (to no one's surprise, really).
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After the exercise ended that year, rumors circulated on the Chinese internet that the score was 9-0, but this has now been officially confirmed.

During a live stream last year, yankee claimed that the PLAAF actively prevented the news from spreading in order to maintain a low profile.

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I saw some Turks were distraught because they had just signed a purchase order for the typhoon LMAO

 

[Gloire_bb]

Well, they're going for AESA ones, so shouldn't be too much worry. Furthermore, being effectively sandwiched between Israel and Greece, j-10 (which may or may not emerge only in Egypt) isn't really their concern.

 

[Black Wolf]

After the exercise ended that year, rumors circulated on the Chinese internet that the score was 9-0, but this has now been officially confirmed.

During a live stream last year, yankee claimed that the PLAAF actively prevented the news from spreading in order to maintain a low profile.

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I saw some Turks were distraught because they had just signed a purchase order for the typhoon LMAO

Well, this may prompt Bangladesh to reconsider their previous year’s LOI with Leonardo for 18 Typhoons in favor of additional J-10CEs, especially since they are currently looking to acquire two squadrons.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Well, they're going for AESA ones, so shouldn't be too much worry. Furthermore, being effectively sandwiched between Israel and Greece, j-10 (which may or may not emerge only in Egypt) isn't really their concern.

Typhoon from Qatar that participated in the exercise had AESA though (CAPTOR E Mark 0 but still).

 

[Gloire_bb]

Typhoon from Qatar that participated in the exercise had AESA though (CAPTOR E Mark 0 but still).

Oh. Then that's painful.
I always wonder how much we can judge from these exercises(air forces keep their hand to themselves), but that's best typhoon possible for a couple years to come.