J-10 Thread IV
- Thread starter Jeff Head
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Could be... but it's more rounded above, while below it looks squarish.
Still, it's anyone's guess.
Consensus on Weibo is that 204 is destined for export, most likely Uzbekistan. Another African country also confirmed orders.
I don't feel particularly strongly about its identity, and lots of details are lost due to the resolution of the video and the distance of that aircraft from the camera, but I think we can make out the distinctive dark coloured "circle" of the AVIC logo (but the resolution meaning only the left side of the circle is visible as a crescent), and the "base" of the triangle/aircraft shape of the AVIC logo.
If it was the PAF roundel, the consistent dark square outline (which contains the white crescent and star) should be at least visible, instead of the more complex dark semi circle and strange splodge within the dark semi circle we see there.
Noted. Due to the low resolution and distance, the imagery is too unclear to draw any definitive conclusions.
The shapes and contrasts visible could be interpreted in several ways, and without clearer visuals, any identification remains speculative. Attempting to recognize specific insignia under these conditions is inherently unreliable.
As mentioned previously, the PAF marking typically has a squarish shape, which makes it more likely to resemble the PAF marking rather than a roundel.
Well, no.
What I'm saying is that at this distance and resolution we probably would be able to see the PAF roundel because we would be able to see the square outline of the PAF roundel which contains the white crescent and star.
Putting it another way, at this given resolution and distance:
- we do not see the square outline of the PAF roundel, making it very unlikely it's a PAF J-10CP
- we do see a dark semi-circle with a dark splodge in it, which could represent the "AVIC" branded J-10CE
- it could be a J-10C for a different nation with a different roundel to either of the two.
At the end of the day I don't really care what it actually is, but if we are being objective based on the image quality and resolution and based on what we would be able to expect to see even at that distance, we cannot rule out or rule in any of the above three options, but overwhelmingly the least likely option is that it is a J-10CP for the PAF.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. I see where you’re coming from regarding the visibility of the PAF roundel at this resolution and distance, and your points about the dark semi-circle and alternative possibilities.
Given the ambiguity and limited clarity of the image, I think it’s fair to say we have different interpretations. Let’s agree to disagree on this one, while acknowledging that definitive identification is challenging under these conditions.
Good observation, but IMO - esp. due to what appears to look like that typical blade antenna - it is IMO more likely a JF-17B:
That horizontal shadow confused me as well -- it makes sense that it is actually a JF-17.
I wonder if it is one of the JF-17 prototypes, which would explain why the roundel looks like the AVIC one rather than PAF.
Good Catch ..... and yes, the blade antenna is a valid point and could suggest a JF-17B. That said, I still feel the overall shape and markings leave quite a bit open to interpretation, especially given the resolution.
We might just be seeing what fits our own expectations at this distance. So, while I respect the JF-17B possibility, I think we’re all working with too little visual clarity to land on anything conclusive.
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