J-10 Thread IV

[siegecrossbow]

We already planned to purchase 42 Rafale and 24 F-15. Purchasing J-10C will definitely jeopardize the latter so I'm not sure if they'll go ahead with it.

We will see. Indonesia did abandon Su-35 because of CAATSA. But if Daddy Xi can pull a South Korea and sweeten the deal with a Great Wall Menglong assembly plant then maybe there is a better chance…

 

[LCR34]

We already planned to purchase 42 Rafale and 24 F-15. Purchasing J-10C will definitely jeopardize the latter so I'm not sure if they'll go ahead with it.

Indonesia will perform like India with J10c then. With no integration coordination will be a mess. Better to just stick with western system and embrace the whole ecology

 

[siegecrossbow]

Indonesia will perform like India with J10c then. With no integration coordination will be a mess. Better to just stick with western system and embrace the whole ecology

For most countries the platform they acquire will not matter much because they will not engage in combat against peer opponents. What is needed is the “prestige” of the aircraft and it is something based purely on vibes. Why can Belenciaga sell literal trash bags for the cost of an IPhone? Perception.

 

[LCR34]

Not likely for Indonesia or Malaysia to buy Chinese defence equipment. They have territorial disputes with China after all. Prestige is one thing. There’s also public sentiments , political and other factors involved. While Indonesian AF did pretty ok now, RMAFs fleet is dated and in need of modernisation badly. That few FA50 not gonna cut it.

 

[lcloo]

Not likely for Indonesia or Malaysia to buy Chinese defence equipment. They have territorial disputes with China after all. Prestige is one thing. There’s also public sentiments , political and other factors involved. While Indonesian AF did pretty ok now, RMAFs fleet is dated and in need of modernisation badly. That few FA50 not gonna cut it.

Actually Indonesia and Malaysia did buy some naval weapons, including patrol ships and missiles, from China. Though there is no Chinese made military aircraft sales to these 2 countries other than CH-4 UAV to Indonesia.

 

[Kejora]

Actually Indonesia and Malaysia did buy some naval weapons, including patrol ships and missiles, from China. Though there is no Chinese made military aircraft sales to these 2 countries other than CH-4 UAV to Indonesia.

Norinco and Pindad signed cooperation agreement

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[LCR34]

Norinco and Pindad signed cooperation agreement

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What’s the deal?

 

[Kejora]

What’s the deal?

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Cooperation with Norinco related to the defense industry includes weapons systems, various caliber ammunition, military vehicles, as well as electric trucks and agricultural machinery for the industrial sector. Meanwhile, cooperation with Sany Group includes Excavators and Heavy Equipment. This cooperation has many scopes, ranging from joint development, joint manufacturing, joint production, market share, and also looking at the possibility of local content in Indonesia.

Previously, on April 30, Pindad also signed an MoU with three other Chinese companies, namely Shandong Golddafeng Machinery, Fengzhu Group, and Zhengzhou Chengda Diesel Engine at Pindad's Bandung head office. Cooperation with Shandong Gold Dafeng Machinery related to agricultural equipment. With Zhengzhou Chengda Diesel Engine related to machines to produce heavy equipment and agricultural equipment. As for Fengzhu Group, cooperation for rice dryers.

There's also MOU about developing ATGM from 2022.

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[Gloire_bb]

I think this is becoming somewhat semantic.

It's all indeed secondary to the lack of stealth and level of electronic outfit, which can be installed anywhere.

But, overall international arms market still considers two distinctive 4.5 gen "hard" features - reduced frontal rcs and better supersonic agility (supercruise, but not only) in wider range of altitudes.

Both noticeably affect BVR.

 

[Gloire_bb]

Wow! Even more amazing if it was by JF-17s!

Jf-17 blk 3 is second most modern Chinese fighter(after j-15t), with one of the most fresh ew suits and pods.
So it's kinda reasonable, even if onboard power is weak.