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Former US Deputy Defense Secretary Stephen Bryen has warned that the downing of three Indian Rafale fighter jets by Pakistan’s Chinese-made Chengdu J-10 fighters on May 7 was very concerning for
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, as the French aircraft is part of the alliance’s fleet.

Bryen – a leading expert in security strategy and a senior fellow at the Center for Security Policy and at the American Center for Democracy—claimed the negative outcome for the Rafale jets, considered a top fighter in the West, highlighted NATO might be trailing in technology against the Chinese.

The military and security pundit noted the implications of this aerial combat were far-reaching, as the Rafale fighter jets operate as a true multi-role aircraft, carrying out missions from air superiority and defense to close air support, deep strikes, reconnaissance, anti-ship operations, and even nuclear deterrence.

But he says the recent events suggest even such versatility may not be enough when facing modern Chinese missile technology.

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According to defense expert Stephen Bryen, this technological gap likely shaped the outcome. The Chinese PL-15, optimized for long-range engagements, appears to have outperformed the MICA, which is more suited for close-to-mid-range battles.

More troubling still is the suggestion that the PL-15 may even challenge top-tier Western missiles like the AIM-120D AMRAAM — and perhaps even the Meteor, Europe’s most advanced BVR missile. While the Meteor boasts an exceptional “no-escape zone” and ramjet propulsion enabling sustained speed and agility, the recent encounter suggests that the PL-15 might match or even exceed its performance in real-world conditions.

 
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Former US Deputy Defense Secretary Stephen Bryen has warned that the downing of three Indian Rafale fighter jets by Pakistan’s Chinese-made Chengdu J-10 fighters on May 7 was very concerning for
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, as the French aircraft is part of the alliance’s fleet.

Bryen – a leading expert in security strategy and a senior fellow at the Center for Security Policy and at the American Center for Democracy—claimed the negative outcome for the Rafale jets, considered a top fighter in the West, highlighted NATO might be trailing in technology against the Chinese.

The military and security pundit noted the implications of this aerial combat were far-reaching, as the Rafale fighter jets operate as a true multi-role aircraft, carrying out missions from air superiority and defense to close air support, deep strikes, reconnaissance, anti-ship operations, and even nuclear deterrence.

But he says the recent events suggest even such versatility may not be enough when facing modern Chinese missile technology.

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According to defense expert Stephen Bryen, this technological gap likely shaped the outcome. The Chinese PL-15, optimized for long-range engagements, appears to have outperformed the MICA, which is more suited for close-to-mid-range battles.

More troubling still is the suggestion that the PL-15 may even challenge top-tier Western missiles like the AIM-120D AMRAAM — and perhaps even the Meteor, Europe’s most advanced BVR missile. While the Meteor boasts an exceptional “no-escape zone” and ramjet propulsion enabling sustained speed and agility, the recent encounter suggests that the PL-15 might match or even exceed its performance in real-world conditions.
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Not sure whether he knows that PL-15 is "old" missile in Chinese inventory, 10 years ago and PL-15E is even lower performance. 10 years in China is a very long time for weapon development

Also J-10C (even lower for J-10CE) is nowhere top fighter in Chinese inventory J-20 > J-35A > J-16 > J-15 > J-11B ~J-10C
 
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