J-10 Thread IV

[Dizasta1]

Mastan, that was not a well thought through reply. People have a way of understanding things, you can't just force your views down someone's throat. I can appreciate your enthusiasm for the Sino-Pak alliance. But not everyone has the same take on it as Pakistanis do. We should learn to be open to all views and have the maturity and sense to relate to other people and their views. J-10 or no J-10, Sino-Pakistan alliance is far beyond than just an aircraft, it's about strategic interests of the respective countries. To say that Gwadar deal makes everything Chinese available to Pakistan is a reckless statement. Surely you know better than to say that. China, despite its friendship with Pakistan, would still put its national interests before anything else. And Pakistan would do the same for its national interests. That's what sovereign nations do and there is nothing wrong with that.

Global geo-strategic political arena is more than just deals, friendships and cooperation. It's based on very complex and hard decisions that ones with who are of strong heart, make. So we as students of international relations, understand things with scrutiny and depth in analysis.

Please, be more responsible with your statements, as it reflects your intellect. I am damn sure that you are someone with a sound reasoning and intelligence.

Regards,

Mujahid Nasrullah Khan Achakzai

 

[Deino]

Anyone with more info on this ??

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[Blitzo]

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I'd be interested to know where the picture is from but more interested to know where he got his info on the exercise from given we've not heard anything about it at all.
In fact to my knowledge the PLAAF and PAF have not flown exercises where F-16s were involved, and I don't think I've heard of "Exercise Eagle" either.

 

[Dizasta1]

I'd be interested to know where the picture is from but more interested to know where he got his info on the exercise from given we've not heard anything about it at all.
In fact to my knowledge the PLAAF and PAF have not flown exercises where F-16s were involved, and I don't think I've heard of "Exercise Eagle" either.

The name of the Air-Meet is "Shaheen", which literally means eagle in English from Urdu. Three of which have been held so far. The first one was in Pakistan (2012), the second in China (2013) and third again in Pakistan (2014).

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[Domino]

Not related to J-10. But how F-16 fares against delta fighters.

According to one of the more experienced of the U. S. Air Force Viper’s pilots, Lieutenant Colonel Philipe “Rico” Malebranche, the F-16 can do very well against the F-15. The F-16 is small, light and agile: although it has a lower maximum speed and rate of climb, it has a smaller Radar Cross Section and, once on the merge, it’s harder to spot. Furthermore, its turn rate is impressive: it does not lose much energy in turns (unlike, for instance, a Mirage 2000) and can outmaneuver the F-15 in low altitude dogfights.

However, the toughest of the fighter jet to face in aerial combat, at least if you are seated in an F-16, is the

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: “It’s not a matter of trying to kill him, but to see how long you can survive!” as “Rico” says in “Viper Force: 56th Fighter Wing–To Fly and Fight the F-16″ book by

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WVR engagements versus the

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can be quite challenging as well.

The F-16 has a higher thrust-to-weight ratio than the “Super Bug” and this is an advantage Viper drivers can exploit in close air combat: “we can climb 3,000 feet above the F-18, then bunt over to put him in the HUD (Head Up Display) for a gun shot” Malebranche, who has also been an exchange pilot in a U.S. Navy Hornet Squadron, says.

However, while it bleeds energy faster than the F-16, the “Rhino” is much better than the Viper if the dogfight gets slow, because the Hornet handle high angles of attack and point the nose at the opponent easier.

And how can the Viper perform against the

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During more or less a

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, the F-16 has been extensively used to train Typhoon pilots in

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. According to the Italian pilots, the F-16 matches the F-2000 under 10,000 feet. But above FL100 the Typhoon becomes quite difficult to beat since its superior aerodynamics give the Eurofighter can out maneuver the Viper at every engagement.

Dario Leone for TheAviationist.com

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will by year-end make is final proof-of-concept test flight on an aerodynamic modification kit that promises to improve the combat aircraft’s subsonic turn rate by 15%.

Adding leading edge root extensions and extended trailing edge flaps, and reshaping the side-of-cockpit ILS antennae covers as 70° delta strakes should improve the aircraft’s agility for close-quarters combat.

Laurie Hilditch, head of future capabilities at Eurofighter, says the modification kit should give the aircraft the sort of “knife-fight in a phone box” turning capability enjoyed by rivals such as

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’s F/A-18E/F or the

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F-16, without sacrificing the transonic and supersonic high-energy agility inherent to its delta wing-canard configuration.

Speaking at

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Defence & Space's Manching Eurofighter final assembly and maintenance facility near

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, Hilditch says the root extensions – or LERX – have already flown and show significant improvement in the subsonic airflow over the wings. And, changing the shape of the ILS antennae cover to resemble a delta strake does the same for the vertical tail fin. The canards, he adds, act as strakes but not throughout their range of movement.

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[Blitzo]

The name of the Air-Meet is "Shaheen", which literally means eagle in English from Urdu. Three of which have been held so far. The first one was in Pakistan (2011), the second in China (2012) and third again in Pakistan (2013).

Yeah I suppose the english translation should be more like Eagle-number.
I wasn't aware another one was recently held. And of course the question of his information, his pictures, and also the question of the US allowing PLAAF to fly against F-16s all remain.

 

[Domino]

Last but not the least

Pak-China joint air exercise ‘Shaheen-III’ (Exercise Eagle-III) concludes
* Chinese air force ‘deeply impressed by PAF’s aggressive combat style’

28 May-2014

OPERATIONAL AIR BASE: The Joint International Air Exercise “Shaheen-III” conducted between the Pakistan Air Force and People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) culminated at an operational air base of the Pakistan Air Force on Tuesday.

Deputy Chief of the Air Staff (Operations), Air Marshal Sohail Aman, was the chief guest at the closing ceremony. During the three-week-long Shaheen-III air exercise, PAF and PLAAF participated with modern fighter jets and support elements. Following the rich tradition of the PAF leadership to lead from the front, Air Marshal Sohail Aman also flew in an offensive strike mission package.

A six-member PLAAF delegation led by Major General Zhan Houshun, commander of Chengdu Regional Air Force Command, witnessed the exercise on the last day and participated in a simple yet graceful closing ceremony. Major General Zhan Houshun, leader of the PLAAF delegation, expressed gratitude on behalf of PLAAF commander, who is also a member of the Chinese Military Command to PAF Chief of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Tahir Rafique Butt for sanctioning Shaheen-III Air Exercise.

While addressing the closing ceremony, he said, “PAF has conducted joint exercises with foreign air forces for a long time, obtained great achievements, demonstrated first rate training level and combat efficiency and gained rich experiences that are worth to learn and draw lessons from. We are deeply impressed by PAF’s aggressive combat style and brave fighting spirit and greatly moved by the ‘train as you fight’ training principle and streamlined efficient training approach.

We admire your superb and all round flying skill and outstanding tactical expertise. We have learnt a lot from you which will bring a whole new inspiration to the innovation and development of PLAAF’s military training”. He further said, “I am sure that the closure of joint training is not an end but a new starting point which will deepen, broaden and promote the friendship, exchanges and cooperation between China and Pakistan, the two armed forces and specially the two Air Forces”.

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[Dizasta1]

Yeah I suppose the english translation should be more like Eagle-number.
I wasn't aware another one was recently held. And of course the question of his information, his pictures, and also the question of the US allowing PLAAF to fly against F-16s all remain.

Well the only restrictions that we applicable on U.S made fighter in Pakistan Air Force, was on the Block-52s. There aren't any restrictions on the Block-15s even though they're MLU'd.

Of course, there is a possibility that the F-16 used in Shaheen Air Exercise, were pre-MLU.

 

[Deino]

Thanks guys ... indeed an €F against a F-16 .... here's the video (at around 20 sec):

Deino

 

[Deino]

Hey ... nearly 2 days without any impressive News or Image !!!

What's wrong ???

Here finally a new J-10B Serial ... they are now at 51 !