J-10 Thread IV

[plawolf]

It's not a joke. According to Yankeesama North Korean pilots have been training in China for some time. They do have difficulties flying high Gs though.

A little OT, but do you have any more info or a source on NK pilots struggling with high Gs? Seems odd!

 

[siegecrossbow]

A little OT, but do you have any more info or a source on NK pilots struggling with high Gs? Seems odd!

It is in Shi Lao’s podcast. It isn’t that surprising since some PLAAF pilots had trouble at first adjusting to J-10 when they switched over from J-7, even with G-suits. You have to sustain high G for much longer in 4th generation fighter aircraft than 2nd and 3rd gen. In fact, improper G-force training was speculated to be one of the causes of the F-16V crash. The pilot spent most of his career flying the F-5.

 

[Ali Akbar]

Oh yes the Beauty the pure beauty

 

[Ali Akbar]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502258572650065922

 

[siegecrossbow]

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@Deino has passed out from the deluge of unobstructed serial numbers.

 

[plawolf]

It is in Shi Lao’s podcast. It isn’t that surprising since some PLAAF pilots had trouble at first adjusting to J-10 when they switched over from J-7, even with G-suits. You have to sustain high G for much longer in 4th generation fighter aircraft than 2nd and 3rd gen. In fact, improper G-force training was speculated to be one of the causes of the F-16V crash. The pilot spent most of his career flying the F-5.

Thanks, do you happen to have a link?

 

[siegecrossbow]

Thanks, do you happen to have a link?

This is the one on F-16V crash. I am trying to find the one on North Korean pilots. This podcast also talks about difficulties PLAAF pilots experienced in G-force training.

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@tphuang might be able to find it faster.

 

[kentchang]

Not the latest prototype that flew... it was one ugly fat bird.


Unless a J-10D is just incremental upgrades to J-10C or just a future avionics refresher, seems like a waste of resources to invest any further into the J-10 platform. By 2035 fully autonomous aircraft should be taking over the role of short range / lightweight fighters.

LOL. I do prefer the slimmer second prototype (B) more. However, the latest (C) is still MUCH nicer looking than the F-35. Don't you agree that even if you prefer a size B, upgrading to a fuller upper-bodied C size has its benefits too? I am thinking longer range of course.

More seriously, a semi-stealth KFX-like plane has an export market and allows China to maintain a larger peacetime ORBAT and industrial/talent base at low costs so real money can be spent on more high-end toys. Most countries cannot afford twin-engined planes and why give away market to Korea or Turkey? That is not a Chinese/Yiwu thing to do. I hope they are aiming for a half-generation more advanced KF-21. I do think having a J-10D prototype/first flight in 2022 is too soon though (2024 LRIP, 2026 IOC, and 2028 first brigade/regiment?).

I whole-heartedly agree and cannot see much usefulness of a short-legged light fighter for major/regional powers and I am sure China has been pitting multiple AI engines in simulated air combats 24/7 to hone their skills (like Amazon's DeepRacer API). Ditto for testing a StarLink-like LEO constellation MESH network for datalinking such swarms.

 

[minusone]

is it just me or the downwash by ws-10b seems more visible than al-31?

 

[DaTang cavalry]

Pictures released by local media showed that Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan attended the ceremony and sat in the cockpit of the J-10CE to get close contact with the new fighter jet. The J-10CE is an all-weather, single-engine, single-seat, multi-role fighter jet independently developed by @Aviation Industry. (Headquarters reporter Cui Ru)