J-10 Thread IV

[Deino]

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According to the statement the Iranian Aviation Freelance Journalist BABAK TAGHVAEE , Iran Wants to Buy JH-7/J-10C After Failure to buy Su-35/Su-30SME

To admit I am very much sceptical on this reports!

 

[Ariana]

To admit I am very much sceptical on this reports!

BabakTaghvaee Quote This issue from one of Iranian IAIO Top members.
AND..
-What do you think about J-10D situation?

-In November 2016,Sino-English Source Said J-10D take to the Sky in half of 2017.

 

[Lethe]

My collection of save-worthy J-10 images has expanded significantly in recent months. I'm not sure how much of this reflects changes in the way J-10s are used, loosening of restrictions on photography, or even just improvements in the cameras Chinese photographers are using. Regardless, it is good to see an attractive design like J-10 in a good light.

 

[SinoSoldier]

In November 2016,Sino-English Source Said J-10D take to the Sky in half of 2017.

Source?

 

[FORBIN]

Maybe the chart is for 4th gen only and they are arguing the JF17 isn't 4th gen?

As for JH7, well it a bomb truck, meant to launch stand off weapons from way beyond the range of enemy fleet defences.

For Iran, they won't be as effective as they are for China since export missiles will be limited to 300km, unless the Iranians get the source codes to integrate their own longer range missiles onto it, which is potentially possible given the pattern of past Chinese exports to Iran (China doesn't want to pay the political costs of maintaining a veto on potential future arms embargos to maintain regular weapons shipments, so prefer to get a big initial order and also sell ToT so the Iranians can make more themselves later even after fresh sanctions, which I'm sure the Iranians also prefer).

Also, considering the geography, and even assuming the Iranian JH7s are limited to 300km missiles, they can still effectively blockade the strait of Hormuz from deep in Iranian territory.

Any US attempts to use the strait would mean US fighters need to come deep into Iranian airspace to get at the JH7 threat, and so would have to face Iranian air and land based AA defences (plus any pilots that have to bail out will most likely end up as POWs).

With potentially S300s and J10Bs running defence for JH7s, that can be a tricky nut for the US to crack.

Both planes would serve Iran very well, but I just don't see China wanting to sell, unless Trump really crosses a line and China feels it needs a response.

Interestingly, I can easily see China publicly fuelling the rumours of such a deal so they can press the Americans on private to remove THAAD from SK in exchange for China to selling those weapons to Iran.

For sure can be dangerous but S-300 is not S-400 ( Iran have 40 S-300PMU2 TELs replace SA-5 now ) for capacity and US Air Services have the necessary.

In more with 250 combat aircrafts and majority old F-4/5 etc... Iran need much more than 48 new ( accordind graphic posted out ) for to be really effective !

 

[timepass]

BabakTaghvaee Quote This issue from one of Iranian IAIO Top members.
AND..
-What do you think about J-10D situation?

-In November 2016,Sino-English Source Said J-10D take to the Sky in half of 2017.

Yes the news around in the circles that working is in advanced stages on J10D with following:

CFT
Wing Tip hard points
More power full engine ???

My collection of save-worthy J-10 images has expanded significantly in recent months. I'm not sure how much of this reflects changes in the way J-10s are used, loosening of restrictions on photography, or even just improvements in the cameras Chinese photographers are using. Regardless, it is good to see an attractive design like J-10 in a good light.

Yes off late we haven't seen any pics...in particular J10D development...

 

[danielchin]

2009 photos of the J-10 wind tunnel model with CFT. could this model later developed into J-10D?

 

[plawolf]

Just because they modelled it doesn't mean they will adapt it.

CFTs are popular in the west because for them, air superiority is assumed as a given, so the focus is on how best to exploit that air superiority to hit ground targets.

CFTs free up hard points to carry bombs instead of drop tanks.

However, the fundamental flaw with CFTs, as far as the PLAAF is concerned, is that they cannot be jettisoned, so would adversely affect a plane's air combat capabilities.

Unlike western air forces, the PLAAF does not assume they can just show up and have air superiority. Indeed, being able to win and maintain air superiority is far and away the PLAAF's most important objective and goal.

CAC may well offer CFTs on export J10s, but I seriously doubt the PLAAF will want them on their planes.

If they wanted more strike power, they can order more JH7s and/or drones.

 

[SinoSoldier]

"Pupu" did state that the J-10D might have drastic changes to improve its RCS. If Huitong is correct in saying that the J-10D will have LOAN nozzles, then it is very likely that RCS reduction methods have been applied elsewhere.

"Angadow" posted the following image with the opinion that a "stealthy" J-10 could improve the program's export prospects: (note that the image is only a user-made CG and not an official diagram)

 

[Deino]

"Pupu" did state that the J-10D might have drastic changes to improve its RCS. If Huitong is correct in saying that the J-10D will have LOAN nozzles, then it is very likely that RCS reduction methods have been applied elsewhere.

"Angadow" posted the following image with the opinion that a "stealthy" J-10 could improve the program's export prospects: (note that the image is only a user-made CG and not an official diagram)

But that would be e facto a new aircraft !