J-10 Thread IV

[Franklin]

Why hurry ... I only mentioned it as a fact ... and IMO compared to other production rates 3.33 ac/month is not that high, IMO maybe too low to be economic.

The production rate of the J-10B/C is higher than either the Eurofighter Typhoon or the Rafale.

That means they have used up about the same number of engines. How many of the AL-31FN III did China have and are there any words of new orders in recent times ?

 

[vincent]

Another possible cause of producing the jets slowly in China's case is that since Chinese tech is improving so rapidly, there are often upgrades available even before a batch has finished production, so the next batch must be switched to a higher standard and the last batch upgraded if possible. This constant changing of assembly lines will slow things down. But also, it's a little better to go slowly this way because then, you have less old standard jets to upgrade and if a new upgrade cannot be undertaken on old standard jets, then you have fewer "obsolete" models and more resources for new models. I think we're all happy that J-10A production has been replaced by J-10C production without 2,000 J-10A that need to be serviced and MLU'd (with no possibility of intake upgrade to J-10B/C standard). Of course, this results in fewer aircraft being produced but since there is no imminent war, that's not a big problem.

For maintenance sake, you don't want your products have too many differences

 

[manqiangrexue]

For maintenance sake, you don't want your products have too many differences

True, but for the sake of your whole country, you can't let that reason hold you back from military advancement. Of course, as I said, you'd want to update your old models to new standard as much as possible.

 

[vincent]

True, but for the sake of your whole country, you can't let that reason hold you back from military advancement. Of course, as I said, you'd want to update your old models to new standard as much as possible.

Too many different parts will affect readiness rate because it is gonna be a nightmare to keep a reasonable amount of inventory. China is not so rich that she can update her fleet as soon as a new system comes out.

 

[plawolf]

All military equipment getd upgraded over time. Modern military fighters undergo block upgrades during production all the time. Just look at all the F16 blocks, Typhoon Trenches and Rafale initerations.

The issue of logistics and commonality of parts is actually a non-issue in this case.

Indeed, it would be nonsensical to continue buying more obsolete equipment (which will ultimately need to be replaced anyways) when you have a better version available for the sake of parts commonality. That would be wasting hundreds of dollars to save a few pence.

For smaller, incremental upgrades, it is usually the case of a newer, better version of the same model you are already using. In which case the existing fleet could be brought up to the new standard at modest cost, and will enjoy significant parts commonality with the older models.

Big upgrades to an entirely new system usually only happen when the new system is significantly better that what you are already using. In which case it's better to upgrade early, when you only have a few dozen of the older version installed, as opposed to hundreds.

 

[delft]

OT
I remember that an upgrade of British Tornadoes went wrong when in a number of aircraft holes were drilled in the wings in the wrong place and these aircraft could not be repaired. Be careful with upgrades.
I only heard it on BBC News so have no reference.

 

[davidau]

An Aviation Division of the air force Flight Lieutenant whom comrades called "Mamba". After he
graduated from the air force Aviation University, he has completed transition training in four different type of fighter jets. Since 2014 he flew ten third generation fighter jets. He's now 24.

 

[Deino]

Simply an amazing beautiful bird ! IMO the best looking fourth generation fighter .. also in comparison to the Rafale.

Sadly once again the c/n is deleted, since it would be interesting to know, if they are already at Batch 03 ?

Deino

 

[A.Man]

J-10B from 170 brigade

 

[Hyperwarp]

People, any hints from a big-shrimp on why J-10C appear to lack the UV-MAWS on the J-10B?

I know this is a repeat question, but this really has been bugging me constantly.