J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[Deino]

... and one additional note esp. regarding that dumb "FC-20-improved- PAF-serial-model"-BS-text some days ago (Sorry; had a bad day !)

The number 1031 clearly indicates that this is a PLAAF-programme and not one aimed for export (at least yet).

Deino

 

[Wolverine]

And also, using .5 or .75 generation is just a marketing ploy. To pla, J-10 and all subsequent variants are just 3rd generation by Chinese standard and the next generation project under development in CAC is just 4th generation, that's it.

Regardless of how PLAAF officially classifies its fighters, the reason 4.5 generation fighters have been separated out is precisely because people have come to realize that these aircraft represent a clear technological and performance advance compared to 4th generation fighters designed and built in the 70's and 80's, with characteristics approaching the F-22's capabilities in several areas. The Gripen, Rafale, Eurofighter, F-18E/F, Mig-35 and Su-35 all have a significant leg up on their predecessors. It's possible the J-10B has reached the technological standards of these aircraft. We'll just have to wait and see. I do agree that the PLAAF wouldn't have gone ahead with such a new and radical variant if it didn't provide significantly improved capabilities compared to the J-10A.

 

[tphuang]

... and one additional note esp. regarding that dumb "FC-20-improved- PAF-serial-model"-BS-text some days ago (Sorry; had a bad day !)

The number 1031 clearly indicates that this is a PLAAF-programme and not one aimed for export (at least yet).

Deino

it's interesting 1001 - first prototype of J-10
1021 - first prototype of J-10S
1031 - first prototype of J-10B

New photo, really nice view of the intake

 

[Engineer]

It seems that the interface between the canopy bubble and the fuselage has also been modified as well.

 

[Totoro]

What are refering to? Could you elaborate or illustrate with pictures?

 

[Mashan]

one thing though, if J-10B isn't much better in A2A combat than the latest USAF F-16C or the F-16C that might be sold to Taiwan, China would never have went ahead with it.

And also, using .5 or .75 generation is just a marketing ploy. To pla, J-10 and all subsequent variants are just 3rd generation by Chinese standard and the next generation project under development in CAC is just 4th generation, that's it.

My thought is by introducing new technology and test them on the J10B and the J11B, PLAAF can help speed up the development of the JXX projects. Since these new technology can be tested and enhanced using current platform, while the airframe and aerodynamic design of the JXX can be test separately. Remember the DSI was first tested on a modified F16 while the JSF design was being done. So some of the J10B features might become part of a JSF clone that PLAAF could be developing.

 

[crobato]

Can anyone explain to me why some J-10As are painted in camouflage and others are simply painted one flat color....were later units painted differently or does the paint style indicate the location at which the fighter is being used. I notice that the J-10B is painted in camo as well.

The ones you see painted with a camo are actually a pre-production batch that was assigned to the FTTC. The ones with the flat color are the official production and regular ones.

The J-10B going into the camo stage is also an indication of the development stage it is right now. It looks its not going to be far off from the production stage.

 

[Deino]

Just adding to that camoflaged-discussion, which is really a good hint of how far the prpgramme's progress is.

Is this pinted bird 1031 now the same as the previous yellow 01 ... ??? ... or is - as with the regular A-model - the 01 machine the prototype, whereas the later prototypes, pre-serials or pre-production models received higher numbers ??

Like....:

J-10A - 01 - 1001
J-10B - 01 - 1031

Deino

 

[crobato]

I don't think 01 is th same plane as 1001, due to the fact both remained photographed rather recently, long after the development period is done. There also seems some differences between the two planes.

01 - Flight trials aircraft
100x - Avionics & equipment trials aircraft
101x - Preproduction trials aircraft
102x - Two seater development & trials aircraft
103x - J-10B trials aircraft

chances are good that 1031 is a separate aircraft from the ones seen before, probably has a complete avionics fit, while the earlier aircraft just jammed with flight telemetry sensors. Rather than remove and rebuild the telemetry aircraft, might be easier to just build an all new one to test the avionics fully.

 

[A.Man]

Aviation File: J-10 First Flight!

Test Pilot Lei Qiang: I first felt, this plane is better than all the advanced foreign fighters that I had flown.

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