J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)
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Bingo, Air Combat Maneuvering, and the J-10, and the J-11B, that looks like the Initial Break---you fly in formation, until lead calls "break now Jester", the idea is to gain separation and the to create an opportunity for the initial "merge", which is the scenario detailed for the initiation of air combat maneuvers between the two aircraft.
In the accident report for the F-22 Captain lost in Alaska, Capt Haney was ten miles ahead of his flight lead at the conclusion of their mission and lead called for Captain Haney to "form up", Captain Haney "broke high and right with a very high performance climbing right turn, zooming up to 50 to 60 thousand feet, that's when he got a master caution and had to shut down some of the life support systems in order not to let his "fire" get out of hand. Captain Haney was then distracted/unconscious and did not pull the ring for emergency O2, for whatever reason, and flew into the ground inverted at a very high rate of speed.
the very recent loss of an F-15 on a ferry flight for maintenance is somewhat reminiscent of Capt Haney's incident, Moose's F-15 may have been at twice the speed of sound?
Its been some time since I read Capt Haneys accident report, so I am a little foggy on the details, but suffice it to say, ACM is very real, and the danger may be greater or as great as actual combat?
SinoSoldier
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Is this image real ??? ... or a PS or simply a model of the J-10B 05 ??
Deino
Most likely a model; the finish on the aircraft is nowhere near the quality of that of the actual jet.
Although - in western terminology - ACM would imply at least a 2v1 setup, as opposed to a 1v1 being rather BFM, I guess?
Furthermore, a break turn, by definition energy depleting, wouldn't be a wise move to start repositioning for a setup. The initial break is the move of the defensive guy in BFM/ACM after "fights on".
I believe you're referring to the much less aggressive check away / take spacing to reposition for a (high aspect) BFM/ACM setup.
Why would he be going Mach 2 on a ferry flight instead of max range airspeed?
Does anyone know what the situation is with the J-10B after that crash? Has the fleet been grounded or has production and operations started again. Was there even a grounding ? Now that wall climbing is a jailible offence in China its going to be much harder to get that kind of information.
BTW does anyone know what its like in the US or Russia ? Can you just take pics of planes leaving the production line and and into testing at Boeing, Lockheed, Mikoyan or Sukhoi ?
BTW does anyone know what its like in the US or Russia ? Can you just take pics of planes leaving the production line and and into testing at Boeing, Lockheed, Mikoyan or Sukhoi ?
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