J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

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plawolf

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If you want to launch a bvr the smoke will choke your engine. Either it must pushed away before igniting rocket engine or launched far away from intake of the plane. There are examples of planes that had bad experience.

All BVR missiles are dropped launched, meaning they are released to drop away from the launch aircraft before they ignite their own engines.

As I have already pointed out before, the Flanker mounts BVRAAMs under its intakes, so smoke ingestion is clearly not an insurmountable hurdle.
 

no_name

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Does anybody know why the J-10 doesn't mount AAM's on the wing tips like the F-16 or Lavi?

It's quite normal to see F-16's with AIM-120's mounted on the wingtip pylons freeing up the wing pylons for other stores.

Any clues?

Kyuryu

Don't think I have ever seen delta wing designs with wingtip pylons.
 

chuck731

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Don't think I have ever seen delta wing designs with wingtip pylons.

Dassault Rafale has tip mounted missile rails and is a short coupled canard delta like the J-10.

The Eurofighter has missile sized pods permanently fixed to wing tip, suggesting missile rails could have been fitted on a long coupled canard delta if desired.
 
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Jeff Head

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Don't think I have ever seen delta wing designs with wingtip pylons.
Here are some off the top of my head. There are probably others

JAS-39 Gripen


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Rafael


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F-16XL


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Quickie

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The way the J-10A wing tips are designed doesn't allow a wing mounted rails to be installed. The ailerons go all the way to the narrow wind tips where there's simply not enough structure to hold a wind tip rail.


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Quickie

Colonel
The smaller area of the J-10A wing is also the reason why its winds are not clipped at both ends (making the area even smaller), like the rest of the above examples, which would then otherwise make possible a wind tip rail to be installed.

But then, this really depends on the design requirement. A larger wind area would give more lifts but at the same time that would result in an increase in drag especially at the higher speed regime. So in the end a compromise has to be made according to the different performance requirements expected of the different aircraft.

Another thing I forgot to add is that, generally, the closer the canards are coupled to the winds, the larger is the wind area, so as to increase the effectiveness of the elevons. Example being the Rafale fighter.
 
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