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Totoro

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around 180-190 or so, with all regiments and various independent units combined. There should be another 28 with PLANAF, though, so total number in chinese service could be closer to 210-220.
 

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北约已经拨款2.83亿欧元准备购买24架有五代性能(有源相控阵等)的战机作为入侵者战机为对空训练用。候选机种包括鹰狮,j10和米格35。
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ECA secures funds for NATO aggressor aircraft purchase

By: Craig Hoyle London

05:00 1 May 2012
NATO's ability to conduct multi-national combat training could be transformed if a 24-aircraft system being proposed by a Dutch-based company takes off.

The integrated opposing force (IOPFOR) concept now being promoted by ECA Program would see a new fleet of privately-owned and operated lightweight fighters provide an aggressor training service for Alliance nations.

Platform candidates include the Chengdu J-10, RSK MiG-35 and Saab Gripen, with ECA chief executive and IOPFOR manager Melville ten Cate expecting to announce a selection in mid-May.

The Schiphol-based company has raised
 

PakistaniDragon

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around 180-190 or so, with all regiments and various independent units combined. There should be another 28 with PLANAF, though, so total number in chinese service could be closer to 210-220.

ThanKs Totoro. How many J-10 fighters is China looking to place in service?
 

Krabat1976

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J-10A dominated the J-11B in a recent exercise in which top pilots from PLAAF regiments contested for the "Golden Helmet", according to Pupu from CJDBY.

The battle was between J-10s from K-44S and J-11B from K-1S.

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It is known more about the engagement rule of this exercise? Specifically it was a complete exercise comprising both BVR and WVR or it was resctricted only to WVR?
 

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Solid gold or 22k gold will be fantastic.. Haha...

Didn't J-11B avionics suppose to be on par with J-10A or better? How come they still got beaten badly.. Unless J-10 aerodynamic is ready a few step above basic flanker air frame.

Facing the highly agile & maneuverable J10s with smaller RCS will always be very tough for the J11s unless they are equipped with significantly better avionics & missiles. But those are exactly some of the main reasons you want big airframes like J11 anyway. To be able to put your most powerful radar & missiles, and more of them, onto them to overcome disadvantages like bigger RCS while enjoying their advantages like bigger range & payloads.
I doubt those J11B in the contest had the latest PLAAF radars, preferably AESA, or BVR missiles. Don't think there are many of such well equipped J11 yet.
 

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Facing the highly agile & maneuverable J10s with smaller RCS will always be very tough for the J11s unless they are equipped with significantly better avionics & missiles. But those are exactly some of the main reasons you want big airframes like J11 anyway. To be able to put your most powerful radar & missiles, and more of them, onto them to overcome disadvantages like bigger RCS while enjoying their advantages like bigger range & payloads.
I doubt those J11B in the contest had the latest PLAAF radars, preferably AESA, or BVR missiles. Don't think there are many of such well equipped J11 yet.

J-11B supposed to be the better flanker variant..

But what you say its true.. Big RCS and and the huge presence of flanker is a big disadvantage for dogfight. You just can't miss the huge beast flying in visual eye range. I believe the competition pits itself mainly in dogfight area. Because this is the area where it exhibit the sheer handling skill of a fighter pilot.

In this sense, J-20 shall try all means to avoid a dogfight with any fighter.. Even with great agility, the huge presence of J-20 makes a great disdvantage of it. If I am the designer of J-20, I will put agility of it in the last list of criteria....
 
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