J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[Blitzo]

Maybe J-10B is too expensive compare to J-10A? They don't feel the urge too induct J-10B that fast.

Doesn't explain why J-10a production has been conparably slow for the last year

 

[delft]

At least 3 flying prototypes (1031, 1033, 1035), maybe more now. Only the third prototype (1035) had been seen with WS10A, the first two were still using AL31FN, which raised the possibility of retro-fitting existing J10s with WS10A, as there does not appear to be any external physical difference between the aft fuselages between 1031/33 and 1035, or indeed between the J10B and the J10A for that matter.

The engine designers will have tried to use the same pick up points used by AL31FN for the WS10A, but it may be that they didn't succeed. In which case the internals of the J10's with either engine will be slightly different.

 

[plawolf]

The engine designers will have tried to use the same pick up points used by AL31FN for the WS10A, but it may be that they didn't succeed. In which case the internals of the J10's with either engine will be slightly different.

Well considering that the Russians managed to mod the AL31 to fit in the J10, and since the WS10A works with the J11, there really shouldn't be any issues with making WS10As compatible with J10A or B.

 

[Schumacher]

Doesn't explain why J-10a production has been conparably slow for the last year

Well, Chinese tech is moving at the very fast pace. A modern jet is an investment to last at least 20 years.

Why buy so many J10As which can only use AL31 when you know better J10B, J16 and WS10 equipped etc are just around the corner ? And in say 5 years J20 etc.
China's defense situation is not so dire that they can't afford to let existing J7/8/10/11 especially with better avionics & awacs hold the fort for a couple more years.

 

[asif iqbal]

At least 3 flying prototypes (1031, 1033, 1035), maybe more now. Only the third prototype (1035) had been seen with WS10A, the first two were still using AL31FN, which raised the possibility of retro-fitting existing J10s with WS10A, as there does not appear to be any external physical difference between the aft fuselages between 1031/33 and 1035, or indeed between the J10B and the J10A for that matter.

ok so that means J10B can use AL31 and WS10A, is the 3rd (1035) any different in its designed when compared with (1031 and 1033)? i mean same fighter design can handle 2 different engines, i thought they would have to redesign the rear of the fighter to accomodate a different engine, this means then in future J10A can be upgraded with more powerful engine without much work with regards to the aircraft itself

 

[latenlazy]

ok so that means J10B can use AL31 and WS10A, is the 3rd (1035) any different in its designed when compared with (1031 and 1033)? i mean same fighter design can handle 2 different engines, i thought they would have to redesign the rear of the fighter to accomodate a different engine, this means then in future J10A can be upgraded with more powerful engine without much work with regards to the aircraft itself

Only if the engines have different dimensions.

 

[plawolf]

ok so that means J10B can use AL31 and WS10A, is the 3rd (1035) any different in its designed when compared with (1031 and 1033)? i mean same fighter design can handle 2 different engines, i thought they would have to redesign the rear of the fighter to accomodate a different engine, this means then in future J10A can be upgraded with more powerful engine without much work with regards to the aircraft itself

Actually, as Deino's picture showed, 1035 is the 4th flying J10B prototype, and the first to use WS10A instead of AL31FN.

As for the rest, well I honestly couldn't say. All I can say is that externally, there is no difference between the rear fuselage of 1035 and 1031, 1033 or 1034 that I could see.

That does not necessary mean that there are no internal differences of course, but, given the path the AL31FN had already established, it would seem far more logical to me for the WS10A to follow a similar approach, whereby chances are made to the engine to allow it to be used in the J10 without having to go through with the complications of making internal chances between the J10A and J10B.

Such an approach would be far easier (they could have just done a step-by-step copy of what Saturn did to make the AL31F into the AL31FN); probably a lot cheaper to implement than changing the internals of the fuselage; and make the engine upgrade a viable and relatively simple upgrade option for existing J10As and J10S'.

They could have decided to change the fuselage instead for other reasons I had not considered, but to me at least, it seems far more logical to mod the WS10A than to change the fuselage of the J10B.

 

[Malik Alashter]

So, when this bird going to enter the service within pla airforce.

 

[A.Man]

Video: Test Flights of J-10 613, 614, 617,622 & J-10B at the same time!

[video]http://www.56.com/flashApp/out.12.02.23.c.swf?from=out&vid=NjY1MTA0NzE&ref=&swfhost=www.56.com&loading_deco_version=off[/video]

 

[tphuang]

pictures of 4 J-10s with their intended serial numbers smudged. Maybe this 6 wave of J-10s are finally getting delivered to their intended regiments. Maybe 622 will be painted too.