J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[Player99]

Awesome show of two "J-10's in August 1st colors"!

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Are these the same individuals (the guy sounds German) whose video of their J-10 model flying we saw a couple of years ago? That was one great J-10 model, but these two are simply fantastic!

P.S. The positioning of the canards are a bit off though, making it resemble the Eurofighter, more or less? Regardless, these guys are amazing. And to China, what could be more flattering than people starting to (also) mimic your stuff!

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Well, watching the video again, I know I was wrong. The canards are right where they should be as the real J-10. I must have gotten the incorrect impression from the initial scene when the they were on the ground...

I guess, with an incredibly great engine and a robot pilot, the real J-10 would be able to do all the stunts.

 

[escobar]

J-10B 1034??

 

[AssassinsMace]

Nice semi-silhouette.

 

[Blitzo]

I really hope we can see the first J-10B regiment some time this year. Three years should be enough for testing a subvariant of an aircraft, methinks.

I wonder if the unmarked, Al-31 equipped J-10Bs could be pre production models, given how people were saying the first j-10Bs would use Al-31 due to most WS-10s going to the flankers.

 

[plawolf]

I think the long development time is partly down to CAC shifting their primary focus onto the J20, and partly down to how big of an improvement they have made on the J10B.

With IRST, AESA radar, DIS, all new EW suit, new engine, and almost certainly all new cockpit (the most obvious new feat would be the new wide angle holographic HUD), we are pretty much talking about a brand new aircraft here, certainly in all the fields that matter.

I always thought that the J10A was in the eurocanards league, but only near the bottom of the pile, maybe just above the Gripen in overall capabilities, but very likely behind the Typhoon and Rafale. But I think the J10B can really give the eurocanard top dogs a good run for their money in any and every field.

Also, I think that the PLAAF is pretty confident that they have enough modern fighters to handle any possible military scenario, up to and including taking Taiwan, so they are less concerned about getting fighters into regiments asap as they were with the J10A, and are now more concerned with having a definitive J10B standard established first before they commit to a big buy to save from having to re-manufacture early block aircraft as has been the case with incremental block development for the Typhoon and Rafale.

 

[escobar]

J-10 fighter unit makes maiden flight with live ammunition in Tibet

The picture shows that two J-10 fighters of a regiment under the Air Force of the
Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) stationed in Tibet are conducting confrontation training.

　　On January 31, 2012, at a military airport of the Air Force of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) in Tibet, an aviation regiment stationed in Tibet equipped with J-10 fighters launched the year 2012’s first training of two-fighter confrontation with live ammunition.

　　At 10:10, with the ear-piercing roaring sound, two J-10 fighters soared to the sky like arrows from the bow.

　　At 12:30, two fighters that had just finished the training landed on the tarmac. Peng Lizhong, head of the second fighter group of the regiment, sprang from the cabin.

　　At 13:30, the two J-10 fighters took off again to implement a task.

　　Cai Zihua, commander of a troop unit under the PLA Air Force stationed in Tibet, told the reporter excitedly, “This is the first flight of the Air Force stationed in Tibet after the Spring Festival of the year 2012. The regiment conducted cross-year training on the snowy plateau and its combat effectiveness and support capacity have been strengthened constantly.”　　

 

[asif iqbal]

I think the long development time is partly down to CAC shifting their primary focus onto the J20, and partly down to how big of an improvement they have made on the J10B.

With IRST, AESA radar, DIS, all new EW suit, new engine, and almost certainly all new cockpit (the most obvious new feat would be the new wide angle holographic HUD), we are pretty much talking about a brand new aircraft here, certainly in all the fields that matter.

I always thought that the J10A was in the eurocanards league, but only near the bottom of the pile, maybe just above the Gripen in overall capabilities, but very likely behind the Typhoon and Rafale. But I think the J10B can really give the eurocanard top dogs a good run for their money in any and every field.

Also, I think that the PLAAF is pretty confident that they have enough modern fighters to handle any possible military scenario, up to and including taking Taiwan, so they are less concerned about getting fighters into regiments asap as they were with the J10A, and are now more concerned with having a definitive J10B standard established first before they commit to a big buy to save from having to re-manufacture early block aircraft as has been the case with incremental block development for the Typhoon and Rafale.

true, RAF is already planning to retire early Typhoon models by 2019, such a waste

If China stands up a Regiment of J10B every year from next year by 2020 that will be 8 Regiments thats 224 aircraft, similar to what J10A numbers are right now, which isnt that bad, also by 2020 J20 will be in production and good medium-high end mix will be fine for China

Considering J10B will be in service for decades to come a few years late wont make any difference

can J10A be upgraded to J10B standard in the future?

 

[escobar]

can J10A be upgraded to J10B standard in the future?

Possible Upgrade:
-Type 1473 Radar to AESA
-Electronic update: Add IRST system (like for F/A-18 Super Hornets)

 

[plawolf]

can J10A be upgraded to J10B standard in the future?

They certainly can, and will almost certainly upgrade the radar and avionics of J10As to J10B standard, but the structural upgrades will probably be too much work to be worth while, especially when they could just order more J10Bs to start with.

Even the USAF have many different blocks of F16s and F15s flying about with different capabilities, and they have a far far bigger budget than the PLAAF.

Besides, by 2020, the earliest J10As may well be nearing the end of their service lives, so it would be convenient enough to start phasing the oldest airframes out and replaying them with J10Bs or even J10Xs if they decided to develop the type further, maybe with WS15 engines for more thrust, supercruise and commonality with the J20 as well as fifth gen radar and avionics.

 

[latenlazy]

They certainly can, and will almost certainly upgrade the radar and avionics of J10As to J10B standard, but the structural upgrades will probably be too much work to be worth while, especially when they could just order more J10Bs to start with.

Even the USAF have many different blocks of F16s and F15s flying about with different capabilities, and they have a far far bigger budget than the PLAAF.

Besides, by 2020, the earliest J10As may well be nearing the end of their service lives, so it would be convenient enough to start phasing the oldest airframes out and replaying them with J10Bs or even J10Xs if they decided to develop the type further, maybe with WS15 engines for more thrust, supercruise and commonality with the J20 as well as fifth gen radar and avionics.

I don't know if they'd stick WS-15s onto a J-10 for the purpose of supercruising, since supercruising is about a lot more than just exhaust velocity. However, increasing thrust for greater payloads could be an option.