Israeli preparing for 'all out' war (Ground Invasion)

Mu Shu Tortilla said:

Wouldn't it be fascinating if Israel in conjunction with some Arab and European nations simply declared Palestine an independent state whether they like it or not, and then told them they are expected to behave like a responsible nation. I wonder if my tax money would buy more rebuilding Palestine than it now buys destroying it.

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pla101prc said:

love that idea...dont think that'll work though
but if it does hamas can entrench a constitution that prescribes its territory to include all of israel. so what is israel gonna do then?LOL this is actually fairly amusing to think about albeit never gonna happen. good job for bring it up

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Skorzeny said:

The only way to solve "the palestinian problem", is a palestinian state.
This will happen sooner or later, and Hamas will not kidd about if this is achieved.
This latest cease fire is just back to a bad situation. Until the palestinian are free and have a better economic situation, the extrimists will allways have a loud voice. In a independent Gaza there would of course be a minority (not Hamas) that that would want all of Israel as well, but without popular support they would be manageble on a law enforcement level.

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pla101prc said:

lol as someone who came from a country that were formerly a victim of foreign invasion, i can tell you that this proposal is simply the greatest humiliation you can ever impose upon a ppl. of course we can tell the palestinians how their lives are gonna be better...heck they are best off becoming israelis themselve. but forcing something like that upon them...its an extremely provocative proposal not only for the palestinians but the entire muslim world...you are simply handing popular support over to the extremists

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Mr T said:

Well Hamas has already broken the ceasefire by firing rockets into Israel. So what, it's going to only stop when Israeli troops withdraw? That's a very cynical and dangerous game because that means Israel would been seen to have been driven out.

I really hope Hamas doesn't keep pushing this because otherwise it's going to lead to a lot more people dying. There's no guarantee that after Israel withdrew Hamas wouldn't kick this off again and all those hard-won positions would have been lost.

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Mr T said:

EDIT: It now seems they have agreed to a ceasefire if Israel withdraws its troops within a week. That's a rather tight deadline given Israel will want a negotiated conclusion before it does that completely. Again, why is Hamas playing with fire like this?

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Skorzeny;93283 And we are not going to tell them how to get better lives said:

i am just gonna let my hippie side talk over my practical side for two seconds here. we better get rid of this kind of mindset of "giving" them whatever. we dont own anything that belong to them, or at least we shouldnt.

again there is only one way to resolve this problem that is to negotiate. arafat and rabin would have succeeded if not for the assassination of the latter. i thought you were joking when you said that we should just give them a piece of land and tell them to stick with it.

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Again, why is Hamas playing with fire like this?

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The year 2008 saw a dramatic increase in the extent of HAMAS rocket fire and mortar attacks on Israel, with a total of 3,278 rockets and mortar shells landingin Israeli territory (1,750 rockets and 1,528 mortar shells). These numbers are double those of 2007 and 2006

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What is Hamas?

Hamas is the largest and most influential Palestinian militant movement. In January 2006, the group won the Palestinian Authority's (PA) general legislative elections, defeating Fatah, the party of the PA's president, Mahmoud Abbas, and setting the stage for a power struggle. Since attaining power, Hamas has continued its refusal to recognize the state of Israel, leading to crippling economic sanctions. Historically, Hamas has sponsored an extensive social service network. The group has also operated a terrorist wing, carrying out suicide bombings and attacks using mortars and short-range rockets. Hamas has launched attacks both in the Palestinian territories of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and inside the pre-1967 boundaries of Israel. In Arabic, the word "hamas" means zeal. But it's also an Arabic acronym for "Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya," or Islamic Resistance Movement.

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Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

"The Islamic world is on fire. Each of us should pour some water, no matter how little, to extinguish whatever one can without waiting for the others." (Sheikh Amjad al-Zahawi, of blessed memory).

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bd popeye said:

Last year I read that Hamas fired over 3000 rockets & motars at Israel before Israel attacked Hamas.

Why does Hamas do this? .

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coolieno99 said:

They tried to break an economic blockade.
In the last 18 months, Israel impose an economic blockade on Gaza. No planes can fly in or out of Gaza airport. No ships can enter or leave Gaza port. The border with Egypt has been sealed. Gaza farmers cannot ship and sell their produces outside the strip. 672 Gazan students were denied visas to leave and attend foreign universities. Basically Gaza is the world's largest outdoor prison.

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