Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

siegecrossbow

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It's easy to sit back and mock the Arab nations response at Israeli aggression but not sure what you expect them to do. Other than Iran, no country in the Middle East has any real deterrence. The Arab countries mostly field Western weaponry which the US won't allow to be used against Israel.

If anything, making a stink about Israeli attacks and keeping it in the news is the only option for a small nation like Qatar. It creates anti-Israeli sentiment (especially in EU because of large Muslim pop.) which could put pressure on companies and governments to cut (or reduce) ties with Israel. If anything, the West's unconditional support for Israel could ultimately lead to Arab nations diversifying away from the US.

No they won’t. Not when their elites park most of their money in Western banks or assets.
 

Stealthflanker

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could ultimately lead to Arab nations diversifying away from the US.

Qatar have Typhoons and Rafale.. but for some reason they're MIA. Like clearly the issue is not in the weapons but in their conduct.

If anything, making a stink about Israeli attacks and keeping it in the news is the only option for a small nation like Qatar. It creates anti-Israeli sentiment (especially in EU because of large Muslim pop.) which could put pressure on companies and governments to cut (or reduce) ties with Israel.

Well Qatar is not exactly "small nation" like.. come on they're among Gulf Petrodollar. The thing is, without any military response like say what Iran did, there is no stopping for Israel, they have to be fought. Anti-Israeli sentiment wont and not stopping them from Turning Gaza into hellhole as we seen today. They didnt even get sanctioned by US or anyone really.. unlike Iran or Russia, like does anyone sanction them for occupying Mt Heremon which is Syrian territory ?.

The question is of course how long this kind of cuckolding will continue ?
 

sheogorath

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It's hard to fault empathetic souls for wanting to believe that the Palestinian cause remained relevant to Arab capitals like Doha.
There was a chance when Nasser was around, once he died, Pan-Arabism was put on life support which was eventually killed when Sadat sold out to the US and Zionist. This left a void filled with Salafist stupidity from the Saudis and exploited by both Israel and the US.
Turkey is probably on the chopping block as well
It's on them, too. They probably think NATO's Article 5 means fuck all when its Israel the one doing the bombing.
 

siegecrossbow

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I'm a little bit confused about the posts in this thread, because it seems some people accept that Qatar had deferred to US and Israeli pressure/forewarning that Israel would be conducting a strike against Hamas on their own territory, while some people seem to genuinely believe they expected Qatar to defend their own airspace against Israel (and thus by extension, the US).

In this case, if Qatari F-15s were in the air, wouldn't the most logical answer be that they would be ensuring their own airspace was safe for Israel to conduct strikes against their own nation's soil? For all we know, Qatari F-15s were escorting Israeli strike fighters to keep them safe while the Israeli jets dropped their bombs.


Putting it another way, it seems more likely to me that any role of Qatar's air force and air defenses would have been to maximize Israel's chances of a successful strike rather than try to defend against it or thwart it.

Then this begs the question of why Qatar even needs an Air Force in the first place. They are only allowed to defend against Iran/Hezebollah and not Israel anyway, so why not just funnel the funds to IDF so they can have a base on Qatar from which they can operate?
 

gelgoog

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There was a chance when Nasser was around, once he died, Pan-Arabism was put on life support which was eventually killed when Sadat sold out to the US and Zionist. This left a void filled with Salafist stupidity from the Saudis and exploited by both Israel and the US.
Remember the Saudis did do the oil embargo in the 1970s. That is something the Gulf States can do.
But King Faisal was murdered for doing it.
 

plawolf

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There was a chance when Nasser was around, once he died, Pan-Arabism was put on life support which was eventually killed when Sadat sold out to the US and Zionist. This left a void filled with Salafist stupidity from the Saudis and exploited by both Israel and the US.

It's on them, too. They probably think NATO's Article 5 means fuck all when its Israel the one doing the bombing.

It would be perfectly in keeping with our current stupidest timeline for NATO to be irretrievably broken by Israel attacking Turkey and the rest of NATO doing the most amazing mental gymnastics to explain why Article 5 doesn’t apply, thereby neatly nullifying the whole fucking point to NATO.
 

_killuminati_

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Assuming that the Qataris are deliberately cooperating with the Israelis and Americans. One can ask why did the Israelis choose airstrikes over less controversial methods like on-the-ground assassinations. Historically, that is the MO of Mossad when they want to eliminate target on foreign soil. If the Israelis knew where to drop the bombs, that means that they could just as easily put assassins on the ground too.

So why did Israel choose an airstrike over a hit squad on Qatari soil? Is there a message that they wanted to send?
There is evidence from around Gaza that many of the strikes were by US/UK with Israel taking the credit. Both US/UK have openly done strikes in the region in the past, to the dismay of locals as well as their own domestic populations. Now, they can do airstrikes (including the controversial types) and just say Israel did it. It's a win-win situation for all parties - Israel is credited with military might while US/UK don't have to take personal blame. I mean, that's what Israel was originally created for, and they are more than happy to accept all the worst labels known to mankind.
 
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