Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

Chevalier

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anyone remember last year when during the siege of azovstal, the Ukrainian nazis were lubricating their bullets with lard in anticipation of confrontations with Chechen Muslims?

Also, pork fat is considered unclean to Jews as well, so what the hell was the purpose of this propaganda?
Apparently, Jews can’t go to heaven if they’re castrated, Do they really want their opponents to go there?
 

ansy1968

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How is that even economically and politically viable for Israel? That prospect hinges on the unlimited, unconditional support of America which will always be there regardless of which party is in power. But America is undergoing a massive debt which according to some experts is highly unsustainable with interest to the debt alone runs in the hundreds of billions.
Are the Arab countries within the region simply going to accept their fellow Muslims to their fate and expect their respective population to be okay with the mass killings of their fellow Muslims? I find that highly dubious and not credible based on history that religion play in that part of the world. Iran is certainly not going to miss an opportunity to take the leadership role that's left vacated by Arab governments lead by KSA by becoming blind, dumb, deaf, and mute with the realities for the millions of Palestinians. They may even inadvertently create a much more radicalized population that's more sophisticated and geopolitically attuned to the histories of their countries due to the exposure and ubiquitous use of social media.
Bro my thinking, with the Gulf State joining BRICS, they will invest those excess dollars in the global south, depriving the Collective West the needed investment to finance their war machine. The Israel Palestinian conflict may provide that impetus to de dollarized, remember the Gulf state hold a lot of investment in dollar, it may take a while to liquidate those assets.
 

Petrolicious88

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Are the Arab countries within the region simply going to accept their fellow Muslims to their fate and expect their respective population to be okay with the mass killings of their fellow Muslims? I find that highly dubious and not credible based on history that religion play in that part of the world.
The answer is yes. We got to this point because they are powerless to intervene. They let it happen since 1967.
 

quim

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Bro my thinking, with the Gulf State joining BRICS, they will invest those excess dollars in the global south, depriving the Collective West the needed investment to finance their war machine. The Israel Palestinian conflict may provide that impetus to de dollarized, remember the Gulf state hold a lot of investment in dollar, it may take a while to liquidate those assets.
It doesn't appear that UAE, Bahrain or KSA are interested in stopping doing business with Israel and the US, though.

The defense forces are the core here. It seems only US have power to impose its laws and rules in the region and no one challenge this. So there is no motivation for them to change to another bloc that does not have power to protect them against a potential US assault...
 

drowingfish

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These two aspects are a bit contradictory and it's something that I don't get. Israel is mobilizing an unsustainable percentage of their population. During the Yom Kippur War Israel ran out of war supplies within two weeks and had to be sustained by massive US resupply effort in
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, Soviet did likewise for the Arabs. This time around Israel is mobilizing an even bigger force. Even if at the moment they are not yet moving forward with group operation that many troops being active is eating up supplies at high rate. If this becomes a long war it won't be sustainable unless US again undertake a massive resupply effort. But weather the will and capability is still there after year and half of supplying Ukraine is unknown.
your reasoning is absolutely valid. however, there is no evidence that the considerations driving israel's decision making are rational. the adrenaline rush has not subsided, and reality has not yet set in. the economic cost will be great but as i said, the strategic calculus now is likely that if they dont finish the job here and now, they will have to do this again in the future. the political calculus is even easier, if hamas is still alive and kicking at the end of all this, then they can claim victory as hezbollah did in 2006. the end state has to be the complete removal of hamas from gaza, and since there is no alternative political power in gaza now, it will likely have to come under israeli occupation for some time.

this of course is not even considering potential pushbacks from the rest of the muslim world. of course in theory that is what the US carriers are there for.

at some point the US is going to tell israel to wrap it up. in fact i would not be surprised if the US is secretly opposed to a ground operation because as you said, they will have to foot the bill if that happens.

a big disadvantage for the israelis, which nobody is talking about, is that they did not at all plan for this contingency, so there is no plan they can pull off the shelf to follow. the cost-benefit analysis of each course of action was never explored, so they actually have no idea what they are doing.

for other muslim forces like hezbollah, there is the option of just sitting at the sidelines until such time that israel is exhausted, or public appetite for war goes down. but it seems like they have opted for sporadic border clashes to stay relevant. the calculation here is likely that israel cant afford a two front war. it would be really interesting if syria also joins for real (more than just the pot-shots on golan now).
 

Helius

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The Chinese watch too much Godfather lmfao.
You joke, but I reckon people saw the Golda biopic that just came out they all got a little refresher on how the IDF took a severe beating from the Arabs on Yom Kippur because just like now they were wholly unprepared and didn't have enough men.

I'm willing to bet you a buck that's what's on the back of everyone's mind, so now they're making sure nobody would throw this poster at them and ask why they aren't calling in everybody -

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tankphobia

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The answer is yes. We got to this point because they are powerless to intervene. They let it happen since 1967.
But also, why? Historically aiding Palestinian cause by even just accepting refugees have not led to the best outcomes for those countries, namely Jordan and Lebanon suffered greatly from it. Since Gaza is closed off, the Arab world is happy to simply use it as a political football to gain domestic support by making some angry statements every now and then. Plus in a complete inverse to Europe, they can fight the hated Israel to the last Palestinian, I'll argue that a resolution is actually not desired by any of the leaders.
 
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Are the Arab countries within the region simply going to accept their fellow Muslims to their fate and expect their respective population to be okay with the mass killings of their fellow Muslims?
Absolutely yeah. They did nothing during the first or second intifadas and nothing when Israel commenced the blockade following Hamas coming to power. Likewise there was little reaction from the Arab world when SA began its genocidal campaign in Yemen, with only Iran coming to the latter's support.
 
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