Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

tankphobia

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More image emerging:

This one here is interesting, because it shows the same aera as Planet Labs but there are clear differences between the aircraft:
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I'm not convinced all those red circles show impact though.
The red circles seems to be randomly drawn based on vibes and have no correlation to actual impacts. I can count 3 obvious impact point in the coloured image, one on top and one outside the hanger and one in the middle of the road.
 

plawolf

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My guess is that those missiles were intercepted before they came into camera view and what we see is their breakup in atmosphere. In the beginning of the video you can see Arrow interceptors being launched and disappearing from view to the left, so the actual points of intercept are not visible.

I think what is happening is that people are seeing flashes and thinking those are all intercepts.

While that is certainly true for a lot of the flashes, not every flash represents an intercept. Many intercepts yields multiple flashes, and some of the most spectacular chain-flashes in rapid succession are most likely the result of the re-entry and break up of spent stages and the combustion of remaining fuel.

The best way to distinguish true intercepts is to look for the telltale final stage engine flares. See an engine flare wink out after a flash, that’s a successful intercept. See a burning trail fade out without a flash, that’s debris burning up on re-entry. See multiple flashes without any engine flare, that’s probably a spend stage burning up and exploding repeatedly as pockets of unspent fuel burn up.
 

iBBz

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Israel is censoring the damage done by the stikes:

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Since they are going to such lengths to try and hide the damage, this tells me they may be spooked by Iranian striking accuracy and are trying to avoid an out of control escalation so they don't get hit harder the next time around. If their extremist population see the real damage, they may very well exert enough pressure on them to hit Iran hard, which would prompt a massive response from Iran.

I wonder if Hezbollah can send a drone to shoot a video like the 10 minute one they published a few weeks back.

More like they struck Syria as retaliation because they couldn't go for Iran for whatever reason, but made a fatal mistake.

Russia hasn't decreased it's activity overseas just because of the Ukraine war. They don't even need to fight officially to make life for Israel much worse. Theres a too large power gap, unless US goes all in on the ground for Israel.

It all depends on if there were any Russian casualties. I'm not counting out that it could be a resistance psyop to get/justify Kremlin funding/support.
A mistake? I doubt it. They are losing the war in Ukraine and failing to harm the economic stability of Russia and China, so when in doubt, widen the conflict. What is happening in the Middle East is just an extension of the war on the Axis of Resistance.


I wonder what's Israel's response gonna be, Bibi promised overwhelming retaliation and Iran promised the next escalation will involve civilian targets, we can use our imagination as to what those targets might entail. It seems to me unless Israel can completely annihilate Iran's missile force, the next escalation will incur steep price for Israel regardless of the damage they inflict on Iran, man I' love to be a fly in IDF war room now.
They can't even beat the Palestinian resistance in Gaza despite it being 350 sqkm and right on their border. There is no way they can do any real damage to Iranian fighting capacity. The only thing these lunatics are capable of is attacking unarmed civilians, preferably under the age of 10, and bombing their food supply, shelters, their healthcare facilities and electrical grid.

And US appears to be staying out of it so far, they're playing the "Iran missile strike is a complete failure so we saw no need to get involved" script. So as far as I can see, Israel will have to solo at least the next escalation on their own.

I do have a nagging worry this thing might go nuclear.....
The US is working overtime with ISR all over the Middle East. Without the Reapers, SATs, AWACS, Navy, manufacturing, I doubt a single interception and a single bomb drop would be possible. Some analysts claim US technicians, mercs, and service members, are right there in the thick of it doing pretty much everything except for pressing the button. Some analysts even claim the US and UK are actively participating in the bombing raids on Lebanon. Much of this analysis I see on Judging Freedom and Dialogue Works channels on Youtube, RT etc.

There are no scenarios on this earth where Israel needs help and the US would "stay out of it". This is their baby and their most valuable possession. They have forged it into a thing that has a past, a culture, a religion, a personality, an identity, and that took trillions upon trillions of dollars and many decades to do that. Just look at the impunity they enjoy and how much damage they can do while catching next to no flak and no casualties back at home.

Non of this is surprising. It doesn't take a genius to see this is all the US doing while maintaining plausible or implausible deniability. Literally the entire arsenal comes from them. On the one hand they claim to want a negotiated end and that they support a two-state solution, but on the other they veto all two-state and cease fire resolutions in the UN and claim Palestine doesn't meet the criteria of a state and provide all the bombs, planes, and intelligence to obliterate them, which they have been doing for decades. They know people are angry and using the "Israel did it. We had nothing to do with it" excuse is just about enough to keep activism, protesting, and demoralization down to acceptable levels.
 
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Proton

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I think what is happening is that people are seeing flashes and thinking those are all intercepts.

While that is certainly true for a lot of the flashes, not every flash represents an intercept. Many intercepts yields multiple flashes, and some of the most spectacular chain-flashes in rapid succession are most likely the result of the re-entry and break up of spent stages and the combustion of remaining fuel.

The best way to distinguish true intercepts is to look for the telltale final stage engine flares. See an engine flare wink out after a flash, that’s a successful intercept. See a burning trail fade out without a flash, that’s debris burning up on re-entry. See multiple flashes without any engine flare, that’s probably a spend stage burning up and exploding repeatedly as pockets of unspent fuel burn up.
Shouldn't interceptor missiles be visible before intercept, as they keep the engine active throughout flight?

So if you can see two missiles there's an intercept, if you can only see the interceptor - then it's a potential intercept, unless all approaching missiles have final stage boosters active throughout.

And if you can only see the approaching missile then it's no intercept?
 

plawolf

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Shouldn't interceptor missiles be visible before intercept, as they keep the engine active throughout flight?

So if you can see two missiles there's an intercept, if you can only see the interceptor - then it's a potential intercept, unless all approaching missiles have final stage boosters active throughout.

And if you can only see the approaching missile then it's no intercept?

No missile keeps their engines alight throughout the flight. Most missile engines burn out in a matter of minutes at most and its inertia the rest of the way.

You do see interceptors boosting up from the airbase, but there will also be a lot of interceptors coming in from other launch sites that are just riding on inertia by the time they come into view of the camera.
 

enroger

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The US is working overtime with ISR all over the Middle East. Without the Reapers, SATs, AWACS, Navy, manufacturing, I doubt a single interception and a single bomb drop would be possible. Some analysts claim US technicians, mercs, and service members, are right there in the thick of it doing pretty much everything except for pressing the button. Some analysts even claim the US and UK are actively participating in the bombing raids on Lebanon. Much of this analysis I see on Judging Freedom and Dialogue Works channels on Youtube, RT etc.

Of course the US helped with interception, by "staying out of it" I meant active attacks or retaliation against Iran on behest of Israel. US actually wants to stay out of escalation
 
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Proton

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No missile keeps their engines alight throughout the flight. Most missile engines burn out in a matter of minutes at most and its inertia the rest of the way.

You do see interceptors boosting up from the airbase, but there will also be a lot of interceptors coming in from other launch sites that are just riding on inertia by the time they come into view of the camera.
Don't anti-air missiles typically have some 2 minutes flight time, allowing them to keep thrust throughout with adjustments for maneuvering?
 

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