Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

enroger

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Zero chance of that happening. China is limited by US on what it can send to Russia, its going to send armaments to Iran?!

The world is going to watch..like always.

China is not supplying Russia with weapons because the Russians are handling just fine on their own and they're not asking China for weapons so why would China do anything?

Iran on the other hand, if US is stupid enough to go in it would be an amazing chance for China to weaken the US, If I'm Xi I won't pass that chance up at all. A thousand ashm plus Chinese ISR to sink a US fleet for literally no cost to China is pretty delicious won't you say?
 
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Index

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I'd be interested to know what The_Real_Fly source is. Or, did he use the Magic 8 ball for this info? :p




Agreed. If Iran is going to war then it'll take some time for them to gather whatever resources and help is needed. The Iranian military should have seen this coming but so far they continue to act surprised. A lot of people made fun of the Russians for their initial poor performance. I'm expecting the Iranians to be even worse.




It's not what China said. It shouldn't be difficult to see what the repercussion is when crossing US red lines. China still value whatever trade they have left with the US. And they'll continue to milk it until the very end. They won't ruin it for Russia or Iran but, they'll do it when it's time to end their long standing civil war.
China already ignored all of US' red lines regarding Ukraine. No noise from US on that.

Why should PLA boots be in a war that Russia is winning? Why send the most valuable weapons when China's inferior allies can send their old stockpiles and the Russians make it work well enough?

2 yrs in into the war, China propped Russia to become 4th largest economy in the world, that's the by far largest reason why they're winning, cuz they can keep a fully intact civilian economy, while building as much equipment as they need.

US has given China no reason to fear their red lines.
 

Petrolicious88

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China is not supplying Russia with weapons because the Russians are handling just fine on their own and they're not asking China for weapons so why would China do anything?

Iran on the other hand, if US is stupid enough to go in it would be an amazing chance for China to weaken the US, If I'm Xi I won't pass that chance up at all. A thousand ashm plus Chinese ISR to sink a US fleet for literally no cost to China is pretty delicious won't you say?

Why Russia getting weapons from North Korea then. North Korean weapons are better than Russian ones? No.

Why major Chinese banks have cut ties with their Russia counterparts.

Someone here already said China wants to maintain some ties with U.S. Important for both countries. Stop the crazy talk of China sending any weapons to Iran.
 

enroger

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Why Russia getting weapons from North Korea then. North Korean weapons are better than Russian ones? No.

Why major Chinese banks have cut ties with their Russia counterparts.

Someone here already said China wants to maintain some ties with U.S. Important for both countries. Stop the crazy talk of China sending any weapons to Iran.

Again Russians aren't even asking China, what has it to do with anything about DPRK? Is there any clear evidence of DPRK weaponry? If so what is the ratio of it among Russian weaponry?

China is maintaining ties with US for now, US going into Iran is a major geopolitical shift that is enough to tip over the balance from "Lets keep doing business" to "lol lets fuck them over", you get it?

And please don't tell me what not to say, who do you think you are?
 

H2O

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China already ignored all of US' red lines regarding Ukraine. No noise from US on that.

What US red lines with respect to Ukraine? IMO, China's refusal to levy economic sanctions and cut diplomatic ties with Russia isn't crossing a red line. It's more of a complaint.


Why should PLA boots be in a war that Russia is winning?

Where did you get the idea that I suggested China should send troops to Ukraine?
 

FriedButter

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I'd be interested to know what The_Real_Fly source is. Or, did he use the Magic 8 ball for this info? :p

Well, I wouldn’t be surprised if it came from the Bloomberg Terminal.

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Scoop: Blinken told G7 Iran and Hezbollah could attack Israel in next 24 hours​


Secretary of State Tony Blinken told his counterparts from the G7 countries on Sunday that an attack by Iran and Hezbollah against Israel could start as early as Monday, three sources briefed on the call tell Axios.

Why it matters: Blinken convened the conference call to coordinate with close U.S. allies and try to generate last-minute diplomatic pressure on Iran and Hezbollah to minimize their retaliation as much as possible. He stressed that limiting the impact of their strikes is the best chance to prevent all-out war.

Driving the news: Iran and its Lebanese ally Hezbollah have vowed to respond to the assassinations by Israel of Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran and Hezbollah military commander Fuad Shukr in Beirut.

Behind the scenes: The sources said Blinken stressed that the U.S. believes Iran and Hezbollah will both retaliate.

  • But unlike the Iranian attack against Israel on April 13 — in which Iran launched nearly 350 attack drones and missiles toward Israel, and Israel, the U.S. and their allies worked together to intercept most of them — Blinken said it's unclear what form the retaliation will take.
  • Blinken said the U.S. doesn't know the exact timing of the attacks but stressed it could start as early as the next 24-48 hours — meaning as early as Monday, the sources said.
  • The secretary of state told his counterparts the U.S. is making efforts to break the escalatory cycle by trying to limit the attacks by Iran and Hezbollah as much as possible and then restrain the Israeli response.
  • Blinken asked the other foreign ministers to apply diplomatic pressure on Iran, Hezbollah and Israel to maintain maximum restraint.
Zoom in: Blinken told the G7 foreign ministers that the boosting of U.S. forces in the region was for defensive purposes only, the sources said.

  • One source who was on the call said Blinken sounded frustrated when he briefed the ministers on recent talks with Israel over a Gaza hostage and ceasefire deal.
  • Blinken said the administration felt it was "close to a breakthrough" before the assassination in Tehran. Now a deal is needed more than ever, Blinken added.
  • State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller declined to comment.
What they're saying: "We express our deep concern over the heightened level of tension in the Middle East which threatens to ignite a broader conflict in the region," the G7 ministers said in a statement.

  • "We urge all involved parties to refrain from perpetuating the current destructive cycle of retaliatory violence, to lower tensions and engage constructively towards de-escalation. No country or nation stands to gain from further escalation in the Middle East."
State of play: The commander of U.S. Central Command, Gen. Michael Kurilla, is expected to arrive in Israel on Monday to finalize preparations with the Israel Defense Forces ahead of the possible attack by Iran and Hezbollah, Israeli officials told me.
  • Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu convened a meeting on Sunday night with Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant and the heads of the military and the intelligence services.
  • "Iran and its minions are looking to surround us in a stranglehold of terrorism. We are determined to stand against them on every front and in every arena — near and far. Whoever seeks to harm us will pay a very heavy price," Netanyahu said ahead of the meeting.
  • Gallant also spoke Sunday with his U.S. counterpart Lloyd Austin
The big picture: Other countries in the region are also bracing for dramatic escalation, and scrambling to try to prevent it.
  • Jordanian Foreign Minister Ayman Safadi visited Tehran on Sunday in the first such visit in almost a decade. Jordan is concerned an Iranian missile and drone attack will pass through its airspace.
  • During the April 13 attack, Jordan intercepted Iranian drones that were making their way towards Israel and allowed U.S. and Israeli fighter jets to use its airspace to intercept Iranian drones and cruise missiles.
  • Safadi met with acting Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Bagheri and passed along a message from King Abdullah II to the Iranian president, according to a Jordanian Foreign Ministry statement.
  • "I didn't come here to convey a message from Israel or to receive a message for Israel. I came here to express concern about regional escalation," Safadi said after his meeting in Tehran.
 

Index

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Why Russia getting weapons from North Korea then. North Korean weapons are better than Russian ones? No.

Why major Chinese banks have cut ties with their Russia counterparts.
Why is trade at an all time high then? I don't see it.
Someone here already said China wants to maintain some ties with U.S. Important for both countries. Stop the crazy talk of China sending any weapons to Iran.
US said absolutely no military parts to the Russians, last I checked China is still flooding Russia with what they need for missiles, vehicles, electronics etc.

Yes China would want to keep some ties with US, but US isn't strong enough to reject relations despite the red lines they put down. They will continue relations with China, while grumbling more.

Same will happen for Iran. Missile engines, guidence systems etc. All of which is key for Iranian war fighting capability.

At worst US will just ban travel to US of some nobody from China who probably doesn't even travel outside Asia.
 

ougoah

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US going to war with Iran will deal the US a death by twenty thousand cuts. It is absolutely in China's favour to sink the US into that quicksand which is why the US won't be going to war with Iran just like the US will refuse to engage in a direct war with Russia. The US actually is not strong enough to come out of such a war intact enough to continue containing China with anything more than the lip service war against China it currently is performing. Getting bogged down in a war against China (that doesn't end nuclear) just gives the hegemonic seat to Russia. All the while the US is actually breaking apart at the seams by the day.
 

iBBz

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Better for Iran to wait longer and attack by surprise instead of using this dumb tactic of "I'm gonna attack you in 6 days, so be well prepared". It's almost like both belligerents are on the same side.
I 100% agree with this. If they wait for the US paranoia to die down, a higher percentage of their projectiles would have the chance to pass through and hit their targets. They could even get Hezbollah and Hamas to fire rocket barrages just to drain the Israeli air defences right before Iran itself fires ballistic missiles. I guess the reason they don't do this is to surgically control the intensity of the escalation so things don't get out of hand.
 

_killuminati_

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Why Russia getting weapons from North Korea then. North Korean weapons are better than Russian ones? No.
Supply chains, costs and logistics. USA once bought surveillance drones from Pakistan. Does that mean Pakistani drones are better? No.

Why major Chinese banks have cut ties with their Russia counterparts.
To fool the dumb Americans that there's nothing going on between the two. How do you even check if Chinese banks have cut ties?

Someone here already said China wants to maintain some ties with U.S. Important for both countries. Stop the crazy talk of China sending any weapons to Iran.
US isn't in any real position to stop it. Chinese weapons are used by resistance against the apartheid everyday on video footage; what did the US do? Nothing.

China can supply directly or indirectly in more clandestine ways which are beyond your reach of even fathoming. Black market, smuggling, middle men, middle countries, via Pakistan, Afghanistan.. heck, even via Russia lmao.
 
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