Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

sheogorath

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Petrolicious88 said:
Yes there’s corruption in Israel under Netanyahu. You think Israel is as corrupt to the core as Egypt, Lebanon or Syria? How about their standard of living?
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Lol, standard of living doesn't really have that much of a correlation with corruption on its own. The UAE has a better living standard than Israel, yet pretty sure there is plenty of corruption, being a tax heaven and all that.

I'd say a civil war(fueled by Israel) in both Syria and Lebanon would be a bigger detriment to the standard of living, wouldn't you say?.

Your arguments are basically the same of every defender of any authoritarian, corrupt third world country, from the Francoist to fhe fans of every tinpot right wing dictator in Latin America, Africa and Asia during the Cold War. Also as mentioned, easy to keep "high" standard of living when your economy is completely subsidized by the US, including the siphoning of wealth through tax doging and loopholes thanks to all the lobbying Israel does.
 
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Petrolicious88

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sheogorath said:
Lol, standard of living doesn't really have that much of a correlation with corruption on its own. The UAE has a better living standard than Israel, yet pretty sure there is plenty of corruption, being a tax heaven and all that.

I'd say a civil war(fueled by Israel) in both Syria and Lebanon would be a bigger detriment to the standard of living, wouldn't you say?.

Your arguments are basically the same of every defender of any authoritarian, corrupt third world country, from the Francoist to fhe fans of every tinpot right wing dictator in Latin America, Africa and Asia during the Cold War. Also as mentioned, easy to keep "high" standard of living when your economy is completely subsidized by the US, including the siphoning of wealth through tax doging and loopholes thanks to all the lobbying Israel does.
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UAE and all the petro gulf states… what would they do without oil… sandcastles maybe?

All that oil money has insulated their elites. Created high paying public servants that does zero work. It screws with economy by making other industries non competitive. And it creates a comfortable sense of entitlement that expects the state to hand out oil dividends per citizen.

You think they are competitive when it comes to education, hard work, and innovation as the Jews/Israelis. You think the Jews got kicked out of Europe because they were lazy, too dumb, and bad with management and business?
 
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Petrolicious88 said:
UAE and all the petro gulf states… what would they do without oil… sandcastles maybe?

All that oil money has insulated their elites. Created high paying public servants that does zero work. It screws with economy by making other industries non competitive. And it creates a comfortable sense of entitlement that expects the state to hand out oil dividends per citizen.

You think they are competitive when it comes to education, hard work, and innovation as the Jews/Israelis. You think the Jews got kicked out of Europe because they were lazy, too dumb, and bad with management and business?
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It's not just oil, UAE for example pivoted quite well into other sectors like tourism, finance services, trade and logistics, real estate, tech, etc.

But you are right that Israelis/Jews are generally more productive per capita than Arabs. But it doesn't mean anything when there are only 9-10 million of them in that kind of ultra-hostile environment. We'll see what will happen in the post-US world.

They are not superhuman. We'll see how it goes, the tables could be easily turned and they become the new Palestinians in the near future.

Btw, nothing can be worse for Palestinians than the current situation. When they get their own state, they could at least stop being permanently bombed, genocided, isolated, denied free trade, denied humanitarian aid, devoid of all investment confidence, etc.

I mean even if those Palestinians were all IQ 60 subhuman like nazi, supremacist-Zionist generally think, it would still be a way better situation.

I mean virtually anything is better for them than this current situation. Yes, they might not be able to produce quantum computers right away, or if at all, but they could at least kickstart some basic trade and sectors of the economy when they get their state. Everything would be way better.
 
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CaribouTruth

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Possibly the 6th? MQ-9 drone dropped by the Yemenis. Very shallow drop, doesn't seem visibly burnt, or any obvious missile damage.
Seems the Yemenis spoofed/jammed or perhaps hacked (very unlikely I'd assume) the drone.
I don't know how much of MQ-9's surveillance capabilities and technologies are public/adversarial knowledge, but this one seems to be a perfect specimen to study these technologies as far as surveillance drones go.

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1795778546889105905
 
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Petrolicious88

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Serb said:
It's not just oil, UAE for example pivoted quite well into other sectors like tourism, finance services, trade and logistics, real estate, tech, etc.

But you are right that Israelis/Jews are generally more productive per capita than Arabs. But it doesn't mean anything when there are only 9-10 million of them in that kind of ultra-hostile environment. We'll see what will happen in the post-US world.

They are not superhuman. We'll see how it goes, the tables could be easily turned and they become the new Palestinians in the near future.

Btw, nothing can be worse for Palestinians than the current situation. When they get their own state, they could at least stop being permanently bombed, genocided, isolated, denied free trade, denied humanitarian aid, devoid of all investment confidence, etc.

I mean even if those Palestinians were all IQ 60 subhuman like nazi, supremacist-Zionist generally think, it would still be a way better situation.

I mean virtually anything is better for them than this current situation. Yes, they might not be able to produce quantum computers right away, or if at all, but they could at least kickstart some basic trade and sectors of the economy when they get their state. Everything would be way better.
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I just don't see how a two state solution is possible given who's in charge of Israel right now and who's likely to win the US election next year.
 
AssassinsMace

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Now Israel is claiming their bombing at the Rafah refugee camp ignited a larger cache of Hamas weapons and that caused all the civilian casualties. For a people who basically invented the victim game, they're making mistakes like saying the bombing was targeting two Hamas terrorist leaders. They're basically admitting they intentionally did bomb civilians. It's a refugee camp...! Did they think a bomb was capable of surgically striking and killing who was targeted only?
 
TK3600

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Petrolicious88 said:
I just don't see how a two state solution is possible given who's in charge of Israel right now and who's likely to win the US election next year.
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Two state solution is helpful for putting pressure off Palestinians so we can wait for US to decline, thus weakening Israel. In the long term it is a unhelpful. Israel will always be genocidal, and the only way to make a genocidal regime stop being genocidal, is to destroy it. Thus one state solution.
 
FriedRiceNSpice

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TK3600 said:
Two state solution is helpful for putting pressure off Palestinians so we can wait for US to decline, thus weakening Israel. In the long term it is a unhelpful. Israel will always be genocidal, and the only way to make a genocidal regime stop being genocidal, is to destroy it. Thus one state solution.
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Two state solution is the only viable solution for long term peace in the region. Israeli leaders that were responsible for war crimes should be convicted and sanctioned, and the Israeli state should be sanctioned until aforementioned leaders are no longer in power. The gulf between the Israelis and Palestinians have grown too large for a one-state solution to be workable.
 
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