Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

CrazyHorse said:

Iots of racism and idealism in this thread. Ancient histories do not influence a people. Class, industry, and material conditions do. The fact that Israel is letting people with swastika tattoos join us sign enough. Israel is not all Jewry, and advocating for cultural genocide on Jews is insane.

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People should re-read the rules post on page 1. Many obvious rule-breaking posts in past few pages at least. I'm also outraged by the zionist conduct and their statements confirming genocidal intent but we should respect the rules the mods set and not veer into just attacking all jews.

US soldiers burn their uniforms

Air dropped aid to Gaza

IDF aircraft monitoring the air drop before attacking the civilians

RPG on Merkavas. IDF units suffer casualties from direct artillery fire.

sanctionsevader said:

People should re-read the rules post on page 1. Many obvious rule-breaking posts in past few pages at least. I'm also outraged by the zionist conduct and their statements confirming genocidal intent but we should respect the rules the mods set and not veer into just attacking all jews.

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The last thing we need is for this thread to get censored and become a second reddit to the point where comments that call out Israel for being a genocidal country (which it is) would be called anti semetic and deleted.
No one is calling for attacking all jews worldwide but we are just stating the obvious consequences. consider how bad the reputation of 2 billion muslims was affected because of say a total of 200k muslim extremist militants world wide, 200k is about 0.01% of the total population.
Now with Israel, the IDF has 600k soldiers and the total world Jewish population is say 18 million, so 3% of a certain religion's entire population are bloodlusted murderers. The biggest disaster that happened to the Jews was Hitler, the second biggest disaster that happened to the Jews was the creation of Israel as a Jewish state instead of it being a non Jewish state because since it has to Jewish that means it can either exist as an apartheid or the Palestinians have to be Genocided and expeled since there are more Muslims than Jews on this land.

Just as how the Germans after the death of Hitler were re-educated into hating their former selves, the Israelis have to be re-educated into hating how they cheered for the death of Palestinians children. But ofcourse since this will never happen the only possible salvation for Palestine is a military miracle in which Hamas would win and a Palestinian state created.

obj 705A said:

The last thing we need is for this thread to get censored and become a second reddit to the point where comments that call out Israel for being a genocidal country (which it is) would be called anti semetic and deleted.
No one is calling for attacking all jews worldwide but we are just stating the obvious consequences. consider how bad the reputation of 2 billion muslims was affected because of say a total of 200k muslim extremist militants world wide, 200k is about 0.01% of the total population.
Now with Israel, the IDF has 600k soldiers and the total world Jewish population is say 18 million, so 3% of a certain religion's entire population are bloodlusted murderers. The biggest disaster that happened to the Jews was Hitler, the second biggest disaster that happened to the Jews was the creation of Israel as a Jewish state instead of it being a non Jewish state because since it has to Jewish that means it can either exist as an apartheid or the Palestinians have to be Genocided and expeled since there are more Muslims than Jews on this land.

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Right. But it's more than 3%, as most Israelis (I think 74% according to a recent poll) support Israel's aggression.

I fear that once the tables are turned, even for a moment, the Muslims will exact revenge on the Israelis that may surpass even the magnitude of Hitler, after witnessing the totally barbaric and psychotic atrocities of the Zionists today.

The anti-Zionist Jewish scholar Norman Finkelstein actually made an interesting assessment about the situation, referencing the horrors his family faced during the Holocaust in which most of them were executed. He said along the lines of: if you are cornered into such a situation (i.e. Gazan life in general), being born and raised in that horror show, your idea of civility, rules of engagement, etc., go out the window; you simply don't have an opportunity to explore and contemplate these ideas because your daily concern is staying alive for the moment.

Most Muslims, afaik, make a notable distinction between Jews and Zionists. The anger in revenge may be difficult to control for the Arabs in particular but the religion of Islam may prevent it because most Arabs are still conservative and Islam prohibits these types of excesses and revenge.

Jewish religion makes it impossible for them to integrate and be peaceful, This is a side effect of Abrahamic religions since they were conceived in a combative high stakes tribal environment like Near East, Jews themselves consider non Jews to be Goyims who are born to serve them as human cattles this is why there is a serious lack of EQ in their policy, Islam also teaches non muslims to be infidels who needs to be subjugated and converted it's two sides of the same coin while their ideology made sesnse in the harsh near east for tribal survival it has no place in modern industrialized society this is why China should be applauded for its policy in Xinjiang they looked at the core issues addressed them while also gradually taking out tribal/religious identity and then integration followed unfortunately this wouldn't be possible for Europe,Arab countries or Israel they have a zero sum mindset while China follows a holistic harmonious approach to religion taking best practices and elements from every religion and philosophy and integrating them to make the whole thing better so you get to witness where a Chinese man praying to his ancestor's spirit tablet, Jesus on a cross and buddha statue at the same time (True story).

eprash said:

Jewish religion makes it impossible for them to integrate and be peaceful, This is a side effect of Abrahamic religions since they were conceived in a combative high stakes tribal environment like near East, Jews themselves consider non Jews to be goyims who are born to serve them as human cattles this is why there is a serious lack of EQ in their policy, Islam also teaches non muslims to be infidels who needs to be subjugated and converted it's two sides of the same coin

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I suggest you learn more about both religions from an academic source instead of popular media.

What you described for the Jews only applies to some forms of Rabbinic Judaism, not the older Keraite Judaism. Rabbinic Judaism is a later innovation, particularly popular amongst the Ashkenazi and Zionists. The Sefarad Jews were very well integrated in Islamic societies throughout the middle ages, without issue. In fact, greatest scholar in Jewish history, Maimonides, was a product of Islamic Iberia (Spain) who would later become the personal physician of Saladin in Egypt.

"Islam and infidels" is a misconception. The only time the word "infidel" is used in Islam is when referring to a specific opposition group in war who violated the peace agreement.

Also, don't conflate political issues with religion. The Uighurs issue is mainly political with separatist elements. The Hui Muslims, on the other hand, have been living in China for 1300 years without much problem. Western media doesn't like to mention the Hui because they blow major holes in Western anti-China propaganda.

I feel like you are employing Western MSM tropes here.

_killuminati_ said:

I suggest you learn more about both religions from an academic source instead of popular media.

What you described for the Jews only applies to some forms of Rabbinic Judaism, not the older Keraite Judaism. Rabbinic Judaism is a later innovation, particularly popular amongst the Ashkenazi and Zionists. The Sefarad Jews were very well integrated in Islamic societies throughout the middle ages, without issue. In fact, greatest scholar in Jewish history, Maimonides, was a product of Islamic Iberia (Spain) who would later become the personal physician of Saladin in Egypt.

"Islam and infidels" is a misconception. The only time the word "infidel" is used in Islam is when referring to a specific opposition group in war who violated the peace agreement.

Also, don't conflate political issues with religion. The Uighurs issue is mainly political with separatist elements. The Hui Muslims, on the other hand, have been living in China for 1300 years without much problem. Western media doesn't like to mention the Hui because they blow major holes in Western anti-China propaganda.

I feel like you are employing Western MSM tropes here.

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Get a Jewish or Muslim guy drunk and ask them about non Jews and non muslims, You'll be surprised and it's not their fault the nature of the religion makes it so of course most Muslims or Jews are just your average joe worried about paying bills and busy with their career and hobbies but they are not politically active either

eprash said:

Get a Jewish or Muslim guy drunk and ask them about non Jews and non muslims, You'll be surprised and it's not their fault the nature of the religion makes it so of course most Muslims or Jews are just your average joe worried about paying bills and busy with their career and hobbies but they are not politically active either

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Right a drunk Jewish or Muslim person is the true representation of their respective religion. They are so evil that you have to get them drunk to finally admit what they realy believe. If this is your best argument against them then you have already lost the debate.

Impressive.

_killuminati_ said:

Right. But it's more than 3%, as most Israelis (I think 74% according to a recent poll) support Israel's aggression.

I fear that once the tables are turned, even for a moment, the Muslims will exact revenge on the Israelis that may surpass even the magnitude of Hitler, after witnessing the totally barbaric and psychotic atrocities of the Zionists today.

The anti-Zionist Jewish scholar Norman Finkelstein actually made an interesting assessment about the situation, referencing the horrors his family faced during the Holocaust in which most of them were executed. He said along the lines of: if you are cornered into such a situation (i.e. Gazan life in general), being born and raised in that horror show, your idea of civility, rules of engagement, etc., go out the window; you simply don't have an opportunity to explore and contemplate these ideas because your daily concern is staying alive for the moment.

Most Muslims, afaik, make a notable distinction between Jews and Zionists. The anger in revenge may be difficult to control for the Arabs in particular but the religion of Islam may prevent it because most Arabs are still conservative and Islam prohibits these types of excesses and revenge.

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I don't think it will happen. It takes a particular kind of culture to perform these insane acts. Post WWII Soviet Union did not throw all Germans into camps the way Germans did to Slavs. I do not expect Muslims to outdo Zionists in this regard.