Israel or any country as matter of fact can do whatever it wants as long as it has the support of 1 country. That’s true power. Who’s going to sanction or stop Israel/US? All empty talks for the last 2.5 months.
Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)
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Have you even read the thread? Yemen is blockading Israel, US, UK right now and there is not much done to stop it. Israel and US base is under constant bombardment right now causing US to withdrawl from Iraq. Israel had to pull its best troop out of Gaza due to Hezbollah attacks.
Lol!! Ahh yes all your previous posts now makes sense. Yeah US is sto strong they can do whatever they want?
You think the Israel can do whatever they want because of US support?
Then why don't they stop Houthis from attacking western ships?
Or attack Iran right now?
If the US is so powerful that they can do whatever they want, then:
Why dont they get rid of Bashar al-Assad in Syria once and for all?
Why doesn't the US prevent south Africa and other countries from going to the ICJ?
Why doesn't the US make all countries sanction Russia for the war in Ukraine? Like India or China or Brazil?
I get it's, it's probably because they don't want to. Lol
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Cope with the true power that can't even break sanctions enacted by men in flip flops armed with rusty hq-7s
plawolf
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It’s very ironic that the US seems to be going through a very similar series of having its bluffs called and having to redraw their ‘red lines’ as Russia did after they had their red lines pressed in Ukraine.
This is a classic case study in what happens when you are overextended and still try to bluff when all cards are already on the table.
America desperately does not want to get dragged into another unending unwinnable war in the ME, and it cannot afford it with Ukraine draining its arsenal and China looming on the horizon getting stronger every day. America has telegraphed that position so explicitly that it is inevitable that local forces have will want to ask the obvious question of just what can America actually do to protect its exposed bases and assets in the region.
It’s noteworthy that the attack occurred in Jordan, where the US has a legitimate mandate to be there, rather than say Iraq or Syria, where it’s mandate is on shaky legal grounds or outright illegal under international law. This means this isn’t a salami slice, but a grab for the whole sausage. This is where it gets interesting, because that’s an uncharacteristically bold move for it to be Iran. And a crazily reckless move if it was Israel.
On balance, I think that rather this being some amazing 10D chess move, it’s more likely a case of the US having fucked up letting it’s guard down (probably because they didn’t expect to be attacked in Jordan) and whoever took a potshot ended up doing a fluke shot. It would be similar to the Houthis doing their one-missile pot shot at USN warships fully expecting them to easily intercept the missile but somehow managing to get through all defences and hit a warship.
But the end result is the same, the US is now in an impossible bind. Escalate and they get sucked into a war they can’t win and cannot afford. Let it go and have it become open season for the US military all over the region. Whereas before attacks on the US military were low intensity purposefully not intended to cause casualties, if America let this slide, every subsequent attack will be out for American blood.
The only move to avoid that is to radically cut back on US military presence in the region to consolidate on core areas worth defending and where the US enjoys sufficient advantage as to be able to fight and win at minimal cost. But US pride won’t allow that to happen, so I think they will end up doing a big fireworks show that is impressive on the news, but doesn’t do anything on the ground, and deadly attacks on US forces in the region will become normalised in time. Eventually, after enough American body bags have been filled, America will do a slow drawdown. But that will be after the elections, which is all that matters right now.
This is a classic case study in what happens when you are overextended and still try to bluff when all cards are already on the table.
America desperately does not want to get dragged into another unending unwinnable war in the ME, and it cannot afford it with Ukraine draining its arsenal and China looming on the horizon getting stronger every day. America has telegraphed that position so explicitly that it is inevitable that local forces have will want to ask the obvious question of just what can America actually do to protect its exposed bases and assets in the region.
It’s noteworthy that the attack occurred in Jordan, where the US has a legitimate mandate to be there, rather than say Iraq or Syria, where it’s mandate is on shaky legal grounds or outright illegal under international law. This means this isn’t a salami slice, but a grab for the whole sausage. This is where it gets interesting, because that’s an uncharacteristically bold move for it to be Iran. And a crazily reckless move if it was Israel.
On balance, I think that rather this being some amazing 10D chess move, it’s more likely a case of the US having fucked up letting it’s guard down (probably because they didn’t expect to be attacked in Jordan) and whoever took a potshot ended up doing a fluke shot. It would be similar to the Houthis doing their one-missile pot shot at USN warships fully expecting them to easily intercept the missile but somehow managing to get through all defences and hit a warship.
But the end result is the same, the US is now in an impossible bind. Escalate and they get sucked into a war they can’t win and cannot afford. Let it go and have it become open season for the US military all over the region. Whereas before attacks on the US military were low intensity purposefully not intended to cause casualties, if America let this slide, every subsequent attack will be out for American blood.
The only move to avoid that is to radically cut back on US military presence in the region to consolidate on core areas worth defending and where the US enjoys sufficient advantage as to be able to fight and win at minimal cost. But US pride won’t allow that to happen, so I think they will end up doing a big fireworks show that is impressive on the news, but doesn’t do anything on the ground, and deadly attacks on US forces in the region will become normalised in time. Eventually, after enough American body bags have been filled, America will do a slow drawdown. But that will be after the elections, which is all that matters right now.
Very possible that US will make a move in response to the attack (also kinda align with usual/historic US actions, although not such a 'sure fact' or the likes, although this has made its round in the media, so definitely more likely to have some military response).
(FOLLOWING might not be true/might not be verified enough).
Also possible more escalation around the red sea (use translate tweet) and Ansarallah seems to have hit a US military ship (supply ship), although none of the following 2 tweets is official outlets of Ansarallah (give it some more time I say).
Those 3 US soldiers are definitely not the first ones killed by those armed forces in Iraq.
I remember reading even last year how they managed to kill more of them with roadside bombs.
And I find it hard to believe that with all those 150+ attacks on US bases in Iraq and Syria, none of the US soldiers were killed but hundreds of them were injured.
Probably there were casualties, but these ones were the first casualties officially recognized so far by the US.
It looks to me that they may try to use this as an excuse to get directly involved more in the war.
It is strange how the US voiced the possibility of withdrawing from Syria and Iraq just before this,
Maybe it was just a smokescreen for the world, and they intend to strike harder instead, using this as an excuse now.
But again, it is strange why would they want to strike in an actual election year due to oil-related inflation.
But it seems that administrations in the US must listen to the Israel lobby even against their own political interest & careers.
Or judging by the situation in the US, they probably plan to with various machinations cling onto power in the US even illegally against Trump, and remain forever in power. The US is sliding more into dictatorship and civil war, this election might even be their last.
The most logical conclusion I can reach is that the US will move against militants in Iraq & Syria to protect Israel's attack on Lebanon, trying to keep that front stable for Israel and ensure no Iranian weapons reach Lebanon after that.
I can understand that, but I can't understand Israel, why would they attack Hezbollah, when they can't even defeat Hamas?
Not to mention how Hezbollah handed it to them even when they were many times weaker in the past, not to mention now.
So the biggest question to me is why on Earth would Israel want to attack Hezbollah now?
I remember reading even last year how they managed to kill more of them with roadside bombs.
And I find it hard to believe that with all those 150+ attacks on US bases in Iraq and Syria, none of the US soldiers were killed but hundreds of them were injured.
Probably there were casualties, but these ones were the first casualties officially recognized so far by the US.
It looks to me that they may try to use this as an excuse to get directly involved more in the war.
It is strange how the US voiced the possibility of withdrawing from Syria and Iraq just before this,
Maybe it was just a smokescreen for the world, and they intend to strike harder instead, using this as an excuse now.
But again, it is strange why would they want to strike in an actual election year due to oil-related inflation.
But it seems that administrations in the US must listen to the Israel lobby even against their own political interest & careers.
Or judging by the situation in the US, they probably plan to with various machinations cling onto power in the US even illegally against Trump, and remain forever in power. The US is sliding more into dictatorship and civil war, this election might even be their last.
The most logical conclusion I can reach is that the US will move against militants in Iraq & Syria to protect Israel's attack on Lebanon, trying to keep that front stable for Israel and ensure no Iranian weapons reach Lebanon after that.
I can understand that, but I can't understand Israel, why would they attack Hezbollah, when they can't even defeat Hamas?
Not to mention how Hezbollah handed it to them even when they were many times weaker in the past, not to mention now.
So the biggest question to me is why on Earth would Israel want to attack Hezbollah now?
To break the blockade which threaten to ruin Israel's economy.
The current status quo with free falling human rights reputation and economical threat isn't sustainable for them. For the Palestinians, their victory condition is to just protect themselves, while Israel wants to maintain a productive colony. Even if Israel can get out of Gaza without significant military loss, if they lose all their investors due to risk and poor PR, it's an existential loss to them.
If Israel can open a front with Iran and somehow win or at least push back Iran, they will be in position to negotiate a better peace.
So for the elites in Israel, they don't have anything to lose by trying. It's either stay in the current conflict and be guaranteed to lose no matter the military results, or gamble on resetting the board and at least have a chance to get out. The only cost to play is Israeli lives, but they have conscripts for that.
But bro it may backfired as most of the Israelis citizen had dual passport, Israel will be emptied when serious fighting erupted with Hezbollah what more of Iran.
Pretty sure the attack was in Syria (border of Jordan), I recall Al Jazeera reported Jordan right away denied the attack happened on their territory.
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