Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

TK3600 said:

Gaza can fight like this indefinitely. Israel economy cannot sustain like this forever. Not unless they plan to live like Gaza. At that point they may as well immigrate.

Give it another couple month and the sign on economy will show. Negotiation will start unless US escalate their backing.

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_killuminati_ said:

Israel can just back out after a bit and things, for them atleast will return to somewhat normal. But for Gazans, what will they be returning to? The resistance can declare victory but the destruction that occurred is mostly in Palestine and I doubt they will be able return to their former state (of development) for atleast 10 years. In those ten years, IDF will routine destroy more of Palestine.

Outcome would've been different if the fighting was occurring in Israel. Can Gazans revive 60,000+ damaged/destroyed buildings, pretty much all of their infrastructure and return to normal life while we know from history that Israel will destroy more routinely?

Israel's aim is pretty straightforward: make Gaza inhospitable so Gazans move out of their own volition. Yes, resistance can fight indefinitely, but the larger society itself cannot function like this indefinitely. That, in the long-term, can weaken the resistance itself.

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TK3600 said:

That is exactly what I mean. At current pace Israel cannot sustain operation after couple month. It would be advantageous for them to either slow down or peace out.

Although it is doubtful how much can they slow down. There are internal political problems. Right wing demand escalation. Left wing demand president to step down.

The ideal outcome for Israel would be somehow declare the operation is a success and back down. They bombed enough to 'make up' for their loss.

Relatively speaking Palestinians suffer way more than Israelis. But in absolute terms Israel suffer more economic damage than Palestinians, due to their sheer size. Israel can eventually 'win' but the pyrhic victory will not worth the effort than back down.

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_killuminati_ said:

Israel can just back out after a bit and things, for them atleast will return to somewhat normal. But for Gazans, what will they be returning to? The resistance can declare victory but the destruction that occurred is mostly in Palestine and I doubt they will be able return to their former state (of development) for atleast 10 years. In those ten years, IDF will routine destroy more of Palestine.

Outcome would've been different if the fighting was occurring in Israel. Can Gazans revive 60,000+ damaged/destroyed buildings, pretty much all of their infrastructure and return to normal life while we know from history that Israel will destroy more routinely?

Israel's aim is pretty straightforward: make Gaza inhospitable so Gazans move out of their own volition. Yes, resistance can fight indefinitely, but the larger society itself cannot function like this indefinitely. That, in the long-term, can weaken the resistance itself.

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no_name said:

The eventual goal for Israel is to push all Palestinians into Egypt, then use terrorism acts staged from Egypt/Israeli border as pretext to eventually control Sinai peninsula. They've identified Egypt as the weakest and most apathetic link.

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Petrolicious88 said:

Eventually, Egypt will probably have to take in a large amount of Palestinians.

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IDF says it expects war to last all of 2024​

The war between Israel and the Hamas terrorist group is expected to last all of 2024, a spokesman for the Israel Defense Forces said Sunday.

Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari said in a statement that the Israeli military is making adjustments to its deployment of troops in the Gaza Strip as it anticipates the war lasting for the entirety of 2024.

We are adjusting the fighting methods to each area in Gaza, as well as the necessary forces to carry out the mission in the best way possible," Hagari said. "Each area has different characteristics and different operational needs."

Hagari added that as 2024 begins, "The goal of the war requires lengthy fighting, and we are prepared accordingly."

The Israeli military, according to Hagari, will be carrying out "smart" management of its forces in Gaza, allowing reservists to return home to help boost the economy, and allowing standing army troops to train to become commanders.

"It will result in considerable relief for the economy, and will allow them to gain strength for operations next year, and the fighting will continue and we will need them,” Hagari said.

He said the adjustments are necessary for the IDF to endure the long road ahead.

"The IDF needs to plan ahead, out of the understanding that we will be needed for additional missions and continued fighting during the entire coming year,” Hagari said.

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allowing reservists to return home to help boost the economy,

"It will result in considerable relief for the economy, and will allow them to gain strength for operations next year, and the fighting will continue and we will need them,” Hagari said.

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FriedButter said:

I don’t believe they will at all. Egypt does not have the economic, financial, or logistical capabilities to support 2-3 million refugees in a giant desert tent city. It is doubtful that the population will support it either. They know as much as every other muslim that Israel wants to commit ethnic cleansing and genocide and neither will they ever be allowed to return.

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Petrolicious88 said:

Yes, I agree hosting Palestinians would present a difficult problem for the Egyptian government, not to mention Hamas has close links with the Muslim Brotherhood.

But, Egypt's economy is in serious trouble; has been for years. Rumor has it the US may consider writing off $160 billion in Egyptian debt in return for hosting a sizable number of Palestinians. That's the problem with most of the Arab countries. They can barely keep their own house in order. How can they challenge Israel or help the Palestinians.

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gelgoog said:

Like most countries in the Middle East they import grain. Egypt imports grain from Russia basically.
As for energy the Russians are building four nuclear power plants to generate electricity in Egypt right now.

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They also have some oil and gas reserves offshore.

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