Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

TK3600

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It seems like a last ditch resort to use open roof, unarmored jeeps in an environment where the enemy is doing hit & run from point blank range. Although, it may be that this configuration allows better visuals of the surrounding.
It might not be a last ditch resort is my point. If you think the area is secured for over a week, using jeeps for battle taxi purpose is fine. Problem is Hamas can pop up anywhere, so rear is never fully secure. I am sure IDF will not use jeeps for direct urban assault, because walking on foot is better at that point.

If it was not a last ditch effort to use jeeps in frontline, then the logic of "Israel ran out of heavier vehicles" do not stand.
 

Overbom

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It could be a rear attack through tunnel though. We can't be sure if they are running out. But if they are, expect to see jeep types are lot more often because heavy APC are suffering very rapid loss. If this is not happening frequently in few weeks, then we can conclude the jeep attack is an isolated incidence.
If the jeeps are being targetted then obviously the area is not secured. Then what is the purpose of using such vehicles then?
Gaza is a death trap. On beautiful maps, they show Israel "controlling" plenty of areas, but let an Israeli convoy to pass through it and you can have ambushes coming from everywhere. A sniper here, a RPG there, a mine on the other side, a tunnel under.

There is no safe area in Gaza
 
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Gaza is a death trap. On beautiful maps, they show Israel "controlling" plenty of areas, but let an Israeli convoy to pass through it and you can have ambushes coming from everywhere. A sniper here, a RPG there, a mine on the other side, a tunnel under.

There is no safe area in Gaza
This is the same argument people used to push the idea that Russia could not effectively administer the territories of Ukraine that it took. Yet despite their myriad failures, the Russians actually have managed to pretty effectively crush Ukrainian partisan activities within the land they grabbed, in an area over 100 times the size of Gaza. I don't know where this idea came from that effective COIN is just flat out impossible and fighting guerillas is a pointless effort but it's not true; if insurgents do not have room to retreat and cannot be resupplied then they basically always lose. Thailand for instance was able to decisively defeat rebels in its southern panhandle by securing the cooperation of Myanmar and Malaysia, thereby denying them the ability to retreat across borders or smuggle in supplies.
 

solarz

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This is the same argument people used to push the idea that Russia could not effectively administer the territories of Ukraine that it took. Yet despite their myriad failures, the Russians actually have managed to pretty effectively crush Ukrainian partisan activities within the land they grabbed, in an area over 100 times the size of Gaza. I don't know where this idea came from that effective COIN is just flat out impossible and fighting guerillas is a pointless effort but it's not true; if insurgents do not have room to retreat and cannot be resupplied then they basically always lose. Thailand for instance was able to decisively defeat rebels in its southern panhandle by securing the cooperation of Myanmar and Malaysia, thereby denying them the ability to retreat across borders or smuggle in supplies.

Sorry but this is just wrong.

Ukraine is largely flat farmlands, and the areas occupied by Russia had been under years of attack from Ukrainian forces due to secessionism. Russia had literally been supporting the Ukrainian partisans.

The IDF, on the other hand, is moving through a dense urban jungle filled with people who had been living under Israeli oppression for decades.

While the difference of strength between the IDF and Hamas is lopsided enough that eventually the IDF will come out on top, this is not in the least bit comparable to the Russian/Ukraine situation.
 

JamesRed

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This is the same argument people used to push the idea that Russia could not effectively administer the territories of Ukraine that it took. Yet despite their myriad failures, the Russians actually have managed to pretty effectively crush Ukrainian partisan activities within the land they grabbed, in an area over 100 times the size of Gaza. I don't know where this idea came from that effective COIN is just flat out impossible and fighting guerillas is a pointless effort but it's not true; if insurgents do not have room to retreat and cannot be resupplied then they basically always lose. Thailand for instance was able to decisively defeat rebels in its southern panhandle by securing the cooperation of Myanmar and Malaysia, thereby denying them the ability to retreat across borders or smuggle in supplies.
At what cost? Are the Israelis prepared to lose a sizable portion of their ground forces like the Russians are?
 

Michaelsinodef

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This is the same argument people used to push the idea that Russia could not effectively administer the territories of Ukraine that it took. Yet despite their myriad failures, the Russians actually have managed to pretty effectively crush Ukrainian partisan activities within the land they grabbed, in an area over 100 times the size of Gaza. I don't know where this idea came from that effective COIN is just flat out impossible and fighting guerillas is a pointless effort but it's not true; if insurgents do not have room to retreat and cannot be resupplied then they basically always lose. Thailand for instance was able to decisively defeat rebels in its southern panhandle by securing the cooperation of Myanmar and Malaysia, thereby denying them the ability to retreat across borders or smuggle in supplies.
Conditions are pretty darn different.

What's more, it's pretty clear from many signals and stuff released from Israel's government, that they want to do ethnic cleansing (like, kicking Palestinians out from Gaza, such as to Sinai in Egypt or somewhere else), while then proceeding to building new buildings in Gaza for Israelis.
 

SlothmanAllen

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Any further word on US strikes on Houthi's? I read on Twitter earlier that some sort of join strike would be announced, but I wasn't sure if it was a reliable source? Just wondering if anyone has anything credible?
 

TK3600

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This is the same argument people used to push the idea that Russia could not effectively administer the territories of Ukraine that it took. Yet despite their myriad failures, the Russians actually have managed to pretty effectively crush Ukrainian partisan activities within the land they grabbed, in an area over 100 times the size of Gaza. I don't know where this idea came from that effective COIN is just flat out impossible and fighting guerillas is a pointless effort but it's not true; if insurgents do not have room to retreat and cannot be resupplied then they basically always lose. Thailand for instance was able to decisively defeat rebels in its southern panhandle by securing the cooperation of Myanmar and Malaysia, thereby denying them the ability to retreat across borders or smuggle in supplies.
Most of Ukraine is flat so outside cities there cannot be replication of Hamas's conditions. Gaza strip is a huge city of multi millions. It would only apply for Kiev and Kharkov. Assuming of course Ukrainians are as radicalized and have specialized tunnel teams. Also note that Gaza is average age 18. Ukrainians average 40. Even Kiev will have less fighting age male resisting than Gaza.
 
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