Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

enroger

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Extreme close range is the key, but it works not because of time limit but more of the radar blind area created due to the close range. APS simply can not see the incoming projectile. For reference, China's GL-5 is stated to be able to intercept the projectile at 1.5 meters and beyond provided it can be seen by the radar, the time it takes from detection to destruction is in the milliseconds.

There are four radar panels. In the horizontal plane, if each one covers 90 degrees, it can cover 360 degrees without blind area ONLY if the panels are mounted right next to each other. In reality they are mounted on the four corners more than 2 meters apart. This create a infinite gap. To cover the gap each panel need to cover more than 90 degrees to overlap, the more the better, but there is always a blind region. It is illustrated in this diagram. The green area is the blind region, it is more than twice the width of the tank or 8 meters of Merkava.
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In the vertical plane, the covering angle is much smaller giving a much longer blind region especially downwards because panels are mounted more upwards. Assuming the downwards angle is 8 degrees and the mounting point is 2 meters, the blind range extends to 14 meters of Merkava.

I took the radar covering angle figure from China's GL-5. Since there is nothing secret in case of design principle, capability, limitations of AESA radar, I think it is accurate enough for illustration purpose.

I recall Trophy system's interceptor launcher has to flip up and pivot towards the incoming direction. At such close range I can see why the system does not have enough time to respond.

For such short distances it is probably better if interceptor launchers are installed in fixed angle and just launch in the general direction without pivoting.
 

LaBucz

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We know IDF lost several hundred vehicles since the war. Among them we can guess tanks roughly 100. Their starting tank number is about 400, all mk.4. The number of operating tanks only increased following mobilization. From this we know there are not enough mk.4 with trophy for all tank crews. Of the starting 400 mk.4 some of them were destroyed making number even lower. Israel is sustaining by using older stocks already mothballed from warehouse. I suspect only half the tanks are mk.4 using trophy.
Is there an neutral source making visual confirmation of equipment losses and casualties?
 

Sinnavuuty

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Israel Wants US-Made Apache Helicopters for Use Against Hamas: Report​

The Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) has requested additional Apache attack helicopters from the US to aid its aerial operations against Hamas militants.

According to local news outlet Ynetnews, the
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was discussed by Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant with US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin during their recent meeting in Israel.

The Middle Eastern nation currently has two Apache helicopter flight squadrons conducting round-the-clock operations in Gaza
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The workload on the two squadrons has reportedly been extremely high, prompting the government to consider acquiring more.

The report did not specify how many of the Boeing-made choppers are being requested.

Several defense sources said Washington has yet to decide on the request, but it is highly likely to be met with a denial from US authorities.

Operational Pressure​

Israel's request is the result of the rapidly increasing operational pressure brought by the ongoing war with Hamas.

The country has reportedly resorted to several unconventional measures, including recalling retired pilots for immediate Gaza deployment.

Aviators aged 55 to 60 were also being recruited to fill operational positions.

Additionally, Ynetnews revealed that the Israeli Air Force has required its active-duty pilots to fly more hours to support combat and reconnaissance missions, resulting in some aviators not leaving their cockpits for up to four hours straight
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Currently, Israel deploys Apache helicopters for operations in Gaza, southern Lebanon against Hezbollah militants, and operations in the West Bank.
 

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UK preparing for attacks on Houthi rebels with US

An Joint-Statement is reportedly expected to be made in the coming hours by the United States, Britain, and an Unknown European Country, announcing that they are in Final Preparations for a Large-Scale Military Operation against the Houthi Terrorist Group in Yemen which will include the launch of Hundreds of Missiles and Airstrikes against Pre-Planned Targets in Western Yemen and the Red Sea.

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Serb

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Out of the previously announced 20 countries, only the UK + the US remained in the end as a part of this. That's literally just 10%.

That's why you should always stay grounded in your rhetoric, instead of boastful, to not get humiliated like this.

I don't get it, they got a few weeks of appearing "strong" at first, but do they not know that the truth eventually comes out always?
 

_killuminati_

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We know IDF lost several hundred vehicles since the war. Among them we can guess tanks roughly 100. Their starting tank number is about 400, all mk.4. The number of operating tanks only increased following mobilization. From this we know there are not enough mk.4 with trophy for all tank crews. Of the starting 400 mk.4 some of them were destroyed making number even lower. Israel is sustaining by using older stocks already mothballed from warehouse. I suspect only half the tanks are mk.4 using trophy.
I knew they were running out of vehicles when I noticed several weeks ago that they were using unarmored jeeps to carry troops in Gaza. Already seen atleast two attacks on a jeep, one ATGM and one IED. That's a one-way death ride.
 

TK3600

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I knew they were running out of vehicles when I noticed several weeks ago that they were using unarmored jeeps to carry troops in Gaza. Already seen atleast two attacks on a jeep, one ATGM and one IED. That's a one-way death ride.
It could be a rear attack through tunnel though. We can't be sure if they are running out. But if they are, expect to see jeep types are lot more often because heavy APC are suffering very rapid loss. If this is not happening frequently in few weeks, then we can conclude the jeep attack is an isolated incidence.
 

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"The country has reportedly resorted to several unconventional measures, including recalling retired pilots for immediate Gaza deployment.
Aviators aged 55 to 60 were also being recruited to fill operational positions."


So, they are in the same boat as Ukraine now, even though it hasn't been even ¼ of the year.
 

_killuminati_

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It could be a rear attack through tunnel though. We can't be sure if they are running out. But if they are, expect to see jeep types are lot more often because heavy APC are suffering very rapid loss. If this is not happening frequently in few weeks, then we can conclude the jeep attack is an isolated incidence.
It seems like a last ditch resort to use open roof, unarmored jeeps in an environment where the enemy is doing hit & run from point blank range. Although, it may be that this configuration allows better visuals of the surrounding.
 
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