Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

Chevalier said:

Looking at the footage again, I’m wondering where the hell are the Israeli screening infantry that should be accompanying tanks.

Strikes me that the modern IDF is casualty averse and are far from a Bronze Age warrior race (in fact their own holy books record their own enslavement), and yet they are high IQ enough to bait chechens who are the closest thing to a warrior race in the modern era.

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coming from the WSJ so take with grain of salt

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Israelis smuggling death squads into Gaza

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They're so far removed from any supposed bronze age roots that it isn't even funny. Most of the latest settler waves are westerners with like 1% Arab heritage cosplaying as semites. In terms of ancestral heritage, the Palestinians and possibly even Egyptians and Saudis are closer to the supposed "chosen people" in the old testament.

In the first generations of IDF, there used to be an Eastern European Jewish component, soldiers in WW2 who were as well trained as any other veterans against nazism. But nowadays those are long retired or passed away.

So not a big surprise the current guys just fight like American conscripts. That's essentially what they are.

I'm more surprised that crash courses on avoiding common mistakes weren't widely disseminated in America after witnessing many Russian and Ukrainian stupid moments. Seems like America is adamant to learn the lessons by personal experience rather than by watching.

sequ said:

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Russia is evil because it's invading a hapless innocent Ukraine; whereas Israel is simply defending herself from the barbaric Hamas terrorist who wish only for Israel's wholesale destruction and especially its people. Also, Hamas shouldn't have started a fight they knew full well they had no chance of winning. Now, they and their people must know the wrath of god. Logic and replies I read from people online.

KYli said:

Western colonial powers have basically wiped out a whole continent. You want to compare with Native Americans' infighting with a complete genocide of a whole continent. Don't try to be a revisionist.

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If one tribe or two had better military technology, they too would have committed genocide against the whole continent. Is that not true?

Petrolicious88 said:

If one tribe or two had better military technology, they too would have committed genocide against the whole continent. Is that not true?

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You should at least provide a healthy examples of races/groups that committed such heinous atrocities against other tribes or group of people so that people can better appreciate the logic and meat of your argument.

Petrolicious88 said:

If one tribe or two had better military technology, they too would have committed genocide against the whole continent. Is that not true?

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We don't have any example of genocidal of a whole continent except the Western colonial powers did to Native Americans and Native Australians. And we again witness how Westerners justify Israelis of ethnic cleaning the Palestinians.

On the contrary, Chinese had the technological and military superior to many Asian countries from time to time but didn't wipe out the whole continent and didn't even bother to colonize the whole continent.

Bellum_Romanum said:

Russia is evil because it's invading a hapless innocent Ukraine; whereas Israel is simply defending herself from the barbaric Hamas terrorist who wish only for Israel's wholesale destruction and especially its people. Also, Hamas shouldn't have started a fight they knew full well they had no chance of winning. Now, they and their people must know the wrath of god. Logic and replies I read from people online.

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Lol but as things are, Hamas isn't doing half bad.

I think @Tam posts in 1 day more clips of AFU fighters being downed that there is in 1 week of IDF defeating Hamas units.

Poorly organized military using lots of APCs + tunnels + atgm isn't a good combo.

Russians drove millions away from Ukraine. Sure, they didn't focus on killing that many civilians, but functionally the effect of killing a civilian and moving them out of the target country is the same.

Bellum_Romanum said:

You should at least provide a healthy examples of races/groups that committed such heinous atrocities against other tribes or group of people so that people can better appreciate the logic and meat of your argument.

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It’s common knowledge that they constantly fought each other for territory, resources, slaves, wives. There’s also evidence of occasional mass migration due to social upheaval (war). Many tribes were famous for their warring traditions (Google their names).

Biscuits said:

Lol but as things are, Hamas isn't doing half bad.

I think @Tam posts in 1 day more clips of AFU fighters being downed that there is in 1 week of IDF defeating Hamas units.

Poorly organized military using lots of APCs + tunnels + atgm isn't a good combo.

Russians drove millions away from Ukraine. Sure, they didn't focus on killing that many civilians, but functionally the effect of killing a civilian and moving them out of the target country is the same.

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Zionist ground component is utter garbage so far.

Boltzmann said:

I can't speak on the volume of informal donations, I don't know. In terms of formal aid, the US committed in 2019 to send Israel 3.8 Billion per year in military aid over the next decade. Israels GDP in 2021 was 488 billion, making American donations constitute only about 0.75% of Israeli GDP. The US also has given Israel a total of 10 billion for the iron dome system, which is separate from the normal military aid, but that figure is cumulative over more than a decade so its annual amount is quite small. At most it would raise the aid proportion of GDP to around 1% over the past decade.

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Israel spend like 4.5% GDP on military. So overall the donation would account for around 20% the budget?

TK3600 said:

Israel spend like 4.5% GDP on military. So overall the donation would account for around 20% the budget?

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Normal donations are 16% and adding in the iron dome budget it would be roughly that yes.

@ficker22 IDF is probably going to reach the sea south of Gaza city within days. They're less than a kilometer from it already. You shouldn't take isolated clips from Hamas pr channels and generalize that to the whole situation.