Israeli Military Says Missile Struck Warship Instead of Drone

bd popeye said:

where did you see the picture?? Tv news report? I've been looking for a pic of that ship! .....Please post if possible...

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hehehe...sounds like we have the same hunger.

From ute's description, it does not sound like the 165Kg HE warhead functioned properly or there would be a lot more damage IMHO

bd popeye said:

Please post if possible...

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Popeye and all, I just got the following message from an acquaintence in Lebannon on another forum:

poster in Lebannon said:

Now that I've seen pictures of that ship, I recognize it. That, or similar ships, have been cruising the coast within a couple of miles of shore. I see them from the roof of my hotel. WAY to close for their comfort. Interestingly, one was back today, after the hit on its brethren yesterday. This leads me to believe that they were caught offguard, and won't be again. I also hear jets cruising overhead. If the Iranians shoot any more missiles for Hizbollah, they will be toasted.

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If the IDF has another Saar 5 there, then they are risking a lot and confident that they have figured out the threat. They only have three such vessels and one is already down, mission killed for the next good while until reparied.

I have been following the developments of this event today.

If this is one of the C series that caused the damage I beleive this is the second C series missle that went through a US type defense system?

If I am not mistaken there was an incident in the mid 80s(?) where Iran fired a chinese Anti ship missle (Saccade) that penerated the umbrella of US aegis system and almost sunk a Tanker. The DDG was not the target but nonetheless the tanker was behind its defense umbrella.

Correct me if I am wrong (memory fuzzy).

Some on other forum indicated it is C701.

This is a vid of a test fire from some other forum.



No warhead on test. Look at the hole, does it look like the same type of damage you saw on the CNN report?

Thanks for that post Jeff..

This is really intense. If your conjecture is true an what your pals in Lebanon say is also the IDF ship was caught with it's pants down.

Ute sez..

Popeye, I saw it on CNN about 30min ago. It was a amature video. This is driving me nuts because I cant find a picture on the internet. The shaped charge really directed all the molten Jet into the ship and I can see why there is still a internal fire.
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Driving you nuts? Me to!! ...Judging by your discription the war head may have splintered or not fully exploded... That is why I want to see the pic..so I can do some BDA(Battle Damage assesment) on that ship..I'm no expert but I do have 11 years experience in the ordance feild....

This ,IMHO, is the best an most level headed discussion we have had in this forum in some time. My cudo's to you all!!

Damage to SAR

Claimed pictures are here:

Yes, very much the same. However the hit looked like it was at the water line. I mean little waves looked like it would cover the hole. Please under stand I was on the computer and I just looked to my right and saw it for like 1 sec. I am sure very soon these pics will be on the net and then All you ship expert guys can fill the rest of us in on the effectivness of the weapon.


THE PICTURES THAT I SAW ARE IN THE ABOVE POST. POPEYE FIRE AWAY WITH YOUR BDA.

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Looks more like C-701...
Damage too small for C-802

JUst Speculation (we need much more info)

Looks like the warhead did not go off (probably a dud).

In context

if this was a c802 or C701 then they were probably leftovers,

China gave Iran mid 90s only half what destined to go to Iran due to US pressure.

They got about 60. These were as indicated on some Defense sites not the best quality probably from Chinese old inventory .

from mid 90s on Iran and N korea collarborated on improvements to this missle still should be inferior to the most modern C802 China has currently depolyed.

Moreover the Iranians probably gave Hezbollah a small contigent of these missles from their own inventory leftovers (not the best they would have due to limited stock) before this crisis developed.

Some reports indicate about a 100 of the Iran Revolutionary soldiers cross over to lebenon to assist in launching the missles.

I doubt in this heavy crisis situation that Iran could actually move these missles to hezbolla. Too much poltical fall out if they were detected moving these missles over (this could have been construed as an act of war on Israel).

These missles must have been with Hezbollah for some time. it is easier to move their soldiers covertly than have them move along with the missles themsleves.

Hence the missles that were fired on the SAR are leftovers from leftovers which could explain the DUD and why so little damage was done on the SAR.

Just my opinion.

bd popeye said:

Thanks for that post Jeff..

This is really intense. If your conjecture is true an what your pals in Lebanon say is also the IDF ship was caught with it's pants down.

This ,IMHO, is the best an most level headed discussion we have had in this forum in some time. My cudo's to you all!!

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Popeye, here are the pics. Looks like to me either the warhead failed to detonate, or it was a smaller missile, perhaps a C-701. But the IDF is saying a C-802.







The CIWS should have had a shot at this from the angle in the side. I am leanig towards it not being engaged, as some reports have indicated, that the Saar 5 did not have its systems on, ECM, detections, or engagement because intelligence did not indicate an SSM threat. If that is so, then the Commander's career ended with the lives of his four sailors...and justafiably so.

I have never seen the inside of a ship after a missile hit. However I have seen many tanks and AFV that have been hit by missile. The outside of the tank there is a small hole but the inside is just burnt to bits. I was under the impression that this was the case for some anti ship missile effects for the smaller ones like the 802. HOWEVER this thought seems to be incorrect with the issue that the warhead on the 802 did not explode. I believe this kind of thing also happened with Exocet VS British warships in the falklands.

PS were is that battle damage assessment from our resident navel Intel fellow....POPEYE

Thanks for the pics guys. Welcome to our forum astrotrain.

I saw the ship on Tv operating on it's own power....Honestly guys I was expecting more damage. A lot more. I mean a 165kg(363lb) warhead should do much more damage to the surface.

Looks like it could have been some sort of incindeary warhead. Very little hull damage. But enough damage was done to inside of the ship to take the lives of four Israeli sailors. I really wish there were pics of the ship compartments that were damaged. I could make a possible assesment about the warhead.

Well judging by that pic and what I saw on the Tv I would say that the warhead malfunctioned. Possibly split into two or more parts damaging that Egyptian merchant ship near by. The pics just don't look like a 165kg(363lb) warhead hit that ship. Or like swimmer mentioned it was the smaller C-701 ...

Just my best guess gents!

Here is a pic of the USS Stark(FFG-31) after it was "accidently" attacked by an Iraqi Exorcet missile on 17 May 1987. The Exorcet missile has an 165kg warhead....37 US sailors were killed.