ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

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H2O

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TerraN_EmpirE said:
The Minister is spinning a tale to cover how the Russians integrated into the Syrian defences didn't stop the Il2 from being shot down.
And try and cover why there systems have yet to actually stop attacks from outside parties.
The Russians may have expanded the "No flyzone" but this narrative is this is a fairy tail.
Time and time again the IDF have made a monkey of the air defense capacity of the Syrians.
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This narrative is a attempt at blame shifting. It's to say that the Russian air defense systems and Syrian operators are not at fault rather that the Israelis use unfare tactics.
The Russians can't have there systems look like a joke as they still aim to sell them. The Syrians are in a civil war and any sign of weakness could lead to a shift in the ground. If it looks like the Syrians are trigger happy that could embolden more action from abroad.

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Everyone spins a narrative whenever a snafu is made. Everyone. Geopolitics is why Israel can launch attacks onto Syria unabated, which I'm not sure if it's wise to discuss it here. AFAIK, the Syrians are using the S200s. I haven't found any news of the S300 (purchased years ago) being delivered to Syria. One could argue that they are using the S300 due to news of "upgrades" to the S200. There is ZERO chance of Syria getting the S400.

I'm not saying the IDF pilot tactics were unfair. It's just a survival tactic which the crew of the IL-20 paid in blood.

The Syrian War stopped being a civil war a long time ago. There are no moderate rebels left. None.
 
Jura The idiot

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TerraN_EmpirE said:
... The Syrians like angry wasps lashed out stinging anything in range. In this case that happened to be the Russians.
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as I said Tuesday at 8:28 PM
Jura said:
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wondering if Syrian and Russian Comrades have any IFF while operating Soviet weaponry
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any idea?

another option would be the Red Air Force establishing a no-fly zone over Syria, trying to prevent for example:
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TerraN_EmpirE

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H2O said:
I'm not saying the IDF pilot tactics were unfair. It's just a survival tactic which the crew of the IL-20 paid in blood.
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That assessment is based on the assumption that this was an intentional act by the IDF to place the Russian bird in the line of fire. There is no evidence of that.
Only sensational conjecture by the Russian defense minister, conjecture not echoed by his boss Vladimir Putin.
H2O said:
ar a long time ago. There are no moderate rebels left. None
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As long as there is fighting it's still a civil war. There are still groups fighting who are not members of the big Terror groups no armesist is signed no peaceful resolution. The beatings will continue until moral improves.
 
Jura The idiot

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Tuesday at 8:28 PM
Jura said:
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wondering if Syrian and Russian Comrades have any IFF while operating Soviet weaponry
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and now happened to notice the Kremlin kinda answered this:
Russian military refutes claims Il-20 was hit in Syria over failure in friend-foe identification
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The Russian Defense Ministry has described as “amateur fantasies” claims that the Il-20 military plane was
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in Syria due to a failure in the friend-foe identification system. Each state has its own Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) system and Russia does not install its identification systems on armaments exported abroad, the ministry’s spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said Thursday. There were no precedents where it had transferred IFF systems with Russian identification codes to other states. “All this fully applies to the domestic air defense systems delivered to the Syrian Arab Republic,” he said. “The IFF system of state recognition used by Russia is only used by aircraft and air defense systems identified as Russian.”
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It makes me wonder how the Russians intended to cooperate with the other Warsaw Pact nations in case of a war with NATO way back then.
There must be a way to solve the problem. Otherwise the system needs to be changed.
 
TerraN_EmpirE

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gelgoog said:
It makes me wonder how the Russians intended to cooperate with the other Warsaw Pact nations in case of a war with NATO way back then.
There must be a way to solve the problem. Otherwise the system needs to be changed.
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There was.
" DO AS YOU ARE TOLD!! "
The Warsaw pact nations defered to Moscow on all defense decisions. I'm the event of war all command reseted with the USSR.
Syria is not that subordinated.
 
Jura The idiot

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I've heard in Russian Internet so here just:
with English subtitles inside
Russia: Israel to Blame for Downed Plane Over Syria, Deliberately Misled Us

Sep 23, 2018 1:37 PM
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plus the Kremlin put on youtube also this:
 
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