ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)
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janjak desalin
Junior Member
You are aware that the Turkish Military forced out a popularly elected government in 1997?
janjak desalin
Junior Member
Although 'Im skeptical of this report, it seems Erdogan may have had a drink of cold reality:
25.11.2015
Russian Air Force Annihilated Militants In Area Where Su-24 Was Shot Down. Erdogan Ordered Turkish Air Force Planes Be Grounded
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solarz
Brigadier
Ehh... that last sentence seems strange. What else would the Turks have expected from downing a Russian jet?
The Turks grounded their fancy F-16's? I did not expect that because Erdogan still looked very tough on tv I just saw a few hours ago. Vladimir Putin will so ''something'' that we can be sure. In the Chinese internet world the support for Russia is phenomenal.
Condolences to those 2 brave russian pilots.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Any word on whether the Russians have deployed more Flankers to Syria?
At a minimum, I would expect massive Russian air to ground operations in the Turkish boarder regions where the Su24 was downed, backed up by Flankers loaded for bear just itching to kill some F16s.
A no fly zone is pretty much effectively in place in the Turkish southern boarder regions.
Best case scenario, the Turks does what's best for them and keep their planes out of that region entirely. The Russians pound the living snot out of any and everything on the ground that looks remotely suspicious while the Syrian army rolls right up to the board and seal it tight with Russian air and/or ground support.
That, ironically could turn out to be a good thing, as it would totally shut down the terrorists' primary source or arms, supplies, reinforcements and revenue. Which would not have been possible without the Turks having massively stepped over the line.
At a minimum, I would expect massive Russian air to ground operations in the Turkish boarder regions where the Su24 was downed, backed up by Flankers loaded for bear just itching to kill some F16s.
A no fly zone is pretty much effectively in place in the Turkish southern boarder regions.
Best case scenario, the Turks does what's best for them and keep their planes out of that region entirely. The Russians pound the living snot out of any and everything on the ground that looks remotely suspicious while the Syrian army rolls right up to the board and seal it tight with Russian air and/or ground support.
That, ironically could turn out to be a good thing, as it would totally shut down the terrorists' primary source or arms, supplies, reinforcements and revenue. Which would not have been possible without the Turks having massively stepped over the line.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
I think its not just the Chinese who are on the side of the Russians, pretty much the entire world agrees that the Turks were way out of line.
The silence from NATO is deafening, and that gives me great hope that we can keep a lid on this and stop it from spiralling completely out of control.
My initial great fear was that NATO would close ranks around Turkey, which would have further enraged Russia and made Putin think his options were very limited. In which case he may well have been sourly tempted to go for overkill to make the point that NATO doesn't scare him.
With Turkey effectively being left out to dangle by the rest of NATO (probably with high level government officials from key NATO members like France explicitly telling the Russians so to keep them in the loop and avoid potential misunderstandings), Putin will feel that he has more time and options, so would be less inclined to go for extreme measures.
These are Al Qaeda fighters sent in by Turkey to change the government of Syria by force in clear violation of the Charter of the United Nations. There can be no opportunity for a legitimate government to negotiate with the mercenaries of another country.
we all are observing on the net in comments section of various articles be it UK or ther Europian countries..people actually siding with Putin for taking on ISIS. The general public mood and thinking about this particular incident in all these countries is pro Russia.
one just needs to moniter the twitter feed to see this