ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

janjak desalin

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more about the abandonment of Raqqa:

Russia Destroys Islamic State In Raqqa? Moscow Claims It Disrupted Command Centers, Sent ISIS Leaders Fleeing From Capital City
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on November 19 2015 3:31 PM


Russian raids on Islamic State group targets in the Syrian city of Raqqa on Thursday forced leaders of the jihadi militant group to flee the de facto capital city of its self-proclaimed caliphate. Jet fighters acting on orders from Moscow had conducted hundreds of raids since commencing military actions against the terror group in late September.

"The local residents watched senior [Islamic State group] leaders and commanders fleeing the Syrian city of Raqqa after the terrorist group had suffered serious losses under the Russian airstrikes and cruise missiles fired by the Russian navy," said a source who
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to the Iranian news agency FARS Thursday.

Further airstrikes by Russian warplanes had also totally disrupted the terrorists’ command system in several Syrian provinces, said Col. Gen. Andrei Kartapolov, head of the Main Operations Directorate of the Russian Army General Staff, Russia's government-backed news site
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reported Thursday. "The terrorist command system in Homs province was completely disrupted due to the losses. We have registered incidences of refusal to fulfill the assigned tasks," Kartapolov said.


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Russian officials are claiming that the speed with which they have hit the Islamic State group -- also known as ISIS or ISIL -- in recent attacks has forced field commanders to evacuate the dead jihadi militants’ corpses from the battlefield at night and dump them in mass graves.

"As far as we know, in view of the fact that huge losses make it impossible to bury all the fighters according to the Islamic tradition, the field commanders have decided to dump the bodies of ordinary militants in cesspits," Kartapolov told journalists at a briefing, according to Tass.

While the Russian military is acting alone in its airstrikes against ISIS, it is cooperating on the ground with Syrian ground troops loyal to its authoritarian leader, Bashar Assad. However, such is the urgency of dealing with ISIS that Moscow and Washington, D.C., are attempting to set aside diplomatic differences on the future of Assad to work together. Russia supports Assad while the U.S. want him to stand down.

France will be upping its cooperation with the U.S and Russia in the coming weeks as it launches a major offensive against ISIS, in the wake of the deadly Paris attacks last week when at least 129 people were killed. The Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier is due to arrive in the eastern Mediterranean on Thursday or Friday.
 

dtulsa

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more about the abandonment of Raqqa:

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Good news my only cocern is where they will end up seems as though they always have a backup plan I have a feeling this Isis is going to be around for a long time
 

ShahryarHedayat

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The cruise missiles were launched over Iran.


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Tu-154 over that area on 17th and 19th November.


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FORBIN

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LHD Kearsage in the Gulf now and have begin combat operations, 6 AV-8B aboard

ARABIAN GULF (NNS) -- Naval Aviation rejoined the fight against ISIL Nov. 19 when AV-8B Harriers from Marine Medium Tiltrotor Squadron (VMM)162(Reinforced)launched from the amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge (LHD 3) to conduct their first missions over Iraq in support of Operation Inherent Resolve (OIR)....
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delft

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Let us hope for the world vigilante to act.

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From The Independent:
The French manoeuvre reflected confidence that its resolution would not provoke Russian or Chinese vetoes and would thus win approval.

The text, shared with the The Independent, calls on member states “with the capacity to do so” to “take all necessary measures, in compliance with international law, in particular international human rights, refugee and humanitarian law, on the territory under the control of Isil [Isis] in Syria and Iraq, to redouble and co-ordinate their efforts to prevent and suppress terrorist acts committed specifically by Isil… and to eradicate the safe haven they have established in Iraq and Syria”.

The resolution “is short, strong, and focused on one primary goal: the fight against the common enemy, Daesh [Isis]”, said France’s ambassador to the UN, François Delattre. “We intend to work with all our Security Council partners to achieve a swift adoption of this project, around which we hope the international community will come together.”
Russia will remember how the Security Council no-fly resolution was misused to destroy the Libyan state and will want to ensure that this resolution will offer no opening for such madness.
PM Cameron has said that he wants agreement by the British parliament for bombing Daesh in Syria before Christmas and not be dependent on a Security Council resolution.
 

taxiya

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From The Independent:

Russia will remember how the Security Council no-fly resolution was misused to destroy the Libyan state and will want to ensure that this resolution will offer no opening for such madness.
PM Cameron has said that he wants agreement by the British parliament for bombing Daesh in Syria before Christmas and not be dependent on a Security Council resolution.

I am also suspicious of the French version specifically excluding the approval/consession from Syrian government for foreign forces opperating in Syria.

Yes, ISIS is the world enemy, but they are operating in Syria. If it is ok for foreign powers to operate inside Syria even with the clause "only against ISIS", what will happen when ISIS territory is shrinked, and furhter to zero, will those foreign powers (who wanted to remove Syrian government from the very begining) just leave? I seriously doubt according to recent experiences. This is the loophole.

To make an analodge, a foreign citizen is killed in a country, the local police manhunting is ongoing, the foreign government decides to send their own police for the manhunt without approval, is that right?

The honest attitude is to drop the demand (overtly or covertly) of regime change, ask for the Syrian conssession.

I also believe that the resolution must include clause of declaring ISIS as terrorist group (not by some members yet), all UN members must actively destroy ISIS's financial, recruiting, weapon supplies within their territory, any members failed to do so should be put under UN sanctions, there should also be a coordinating committee to monitor and coordinate such act. This will surely piss off some members, but this is the only way to make it work.
 
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