ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

Do we know who either had the UAV...or who it was operating for?

Even if operated for the Ukraine, it could have been one they had in their inventory fro Russia.

We need to know who made it.

I have some friends working on that.

then I'll go back to my post from yesterday (again :)
... gazeta.ru
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most recently contacted several Russian experts and ... one of the experts said it might be "a model similar to Orlan, operated by Russian structures other than the Ministry of Defense"
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which, if true, could mean МВД (Internal Troops of Russia -- kinda ironic name in the context of Syria)

from Russian Internet today I got an impression soon there'll be a new round of "No Russian Troops In ..." (Syria this time); you can check this:
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EDIT
I of course didn't mean the personnel in Latakia and Tartus bases
 
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I know, approximately, the value of Russian characters but do not read Russian. Do I understand correctly that the photograph was taken in Ukraine and "borrowed" by Turkey?

what?? delft, if you want, google-translate the text you meant, and I would polish it (but please be quick, I have to pick up my mother-in-law from a pastry-shop in 20 minutes LOL)

EDIT
maybe you should check
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related pictures taken by Ukrainians:
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Jeff Head

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Well, here are two more pics (of several)...and they are at the following site:

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The English translation indicates:

Article said:
The Security Service of Ukraine showed pictures of a UAV, downed the day before, May 28. It is a Russian unmanned aerial vehicle ( UAV ) with video and audio equipment and an unknown substance on board.

According to a preliminary examination, the unit is probably a production versions of the Russin UAV "Orlan-10" with a parachute landing system . The "Orlan-10" is used as a part of air reconnaissance, surveillance and monitoring . It is used by Russia, in particular, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, as a reconnaissance plane, able to pictures and create maps of the area. Depending on version and the installed modules, the "Orlan-10" can carry an onboard imager, camera, camcorder, geostabilizer, radio, and repeater.

The drone was shot down on May 28 when it flew over the Ukrainian security forces checkpoint near Donetsk. Experts say that on board was an unknown substance that could be for self-destruction.
 

SampanViking

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So small and cheaper than an Iron bomb?

It looks to me as if it ran out of petrol and just came down. I do have a nagging feeling that the point of all this is not the what but the where and that a message is being conveyed with this drone. I have an inkling it was sent one way to a very specific location and that the drone with eyes and ears was itself the message at a location where neither are welcome!

Like I said, just an inkling.
 

Delbert

Junior Member
If there will be a Chinese contribution it is more likely to be by PLAAF units - J-11B, J-16, KJ-500? The Iraqi army supported by Iranian Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution units will be strong enough on the ground not to need PLA support. Let ground forces be as uncomplicated as possible.

Deploying combat jets in syria would be complicated too. You will need logistic support and everything..

China can just use drones for recon (to tests its drones too) and its Type 052D destroyers to launch cruise missiles from its new VLS. After launching let say 100 cruise missiles and a couple of massive salvos (as a military demonstration to the world too) to back the syrian army offensive. China can just exit and say mission accomplished.

As for the Tanks thing.. sorry if i did not elaborate. China could train a syrian tank battallion in using new Chinese tanks. Then deploy them for combat. Chinese technicians, trainers and advisers can surely get all the info they need as to the performance of their new hardware..

I did not mean deploying PLA ground forces with tanks.
 

delft

Brigadier
Deploying combat jets in syria would be complicated too. You will need logistic support and everything..

China can just use drones for recon (to tests its drones too) and its Type 052D destroyers to launch cruise missiles from its new VLS. After launching let say 100 cruise missiles and a couple of massive salvos (as a military demonstration to the world too) to back the syrian army offensive. China can just exit and say mission accomplished.

As for the Tanks thing.. sorry if i did not elaborate. China could train a syrian tank battallion in using new Chinese tanks. Then deploy them for combat. Chinese technicians, trainers and advisers can surely get all the info they need as to the performance of their new hardware..

I did not mean deploying PLA ground forces with tanks.
I was thinking of sending them to Iran to support Iraq. ISIL operates in both countries and must be wholly destroyed.
Chinese tanks would mean more supply and maintenance effort for the Syrian army. Better not.
 

Delbert

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I was thinking of sending them to Iran to support Iraq. ISIL operates in both countries and must be wholly destroyed.
Chinese tanks would mean more supply and maintenance effort for the Syrian army. Better not.

Hmmm... that would also be nice. But i don't think the yanks will be happy to see Iranian manned Chinese tanks fighting along side Iraqi troops.

Besides im thinking of China can actually utilize the Russian Base at tartous to keep their advisers, trainers, technician and even maintanance of Chinese tanks in the Syrian Army supplied. Even just a deployment of small contingent of let say 50-100 MBT3000.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
I thought the German made G-36 rifles were supposed to be problematic, but I guess the Kurds didn't have a problem with it. It's a pretty smart rifle.

The G36 could easily be pictured in the hands of a police commando resembling a stormtrooper who’s escorting Snake Pliskin to some wall of a prison island that was once a chunk of the United States.

Instead, it’s finding its way into the hands of
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soldiers on the front lines of a war where it’s muzzle thumping the
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every chance it gets.

Despite the German government insisting the weapon is catastrophically flawed, they keep sending them and the Kurds are putting them to use.

Personally I have found the G36 to be a reliable and accurate platform; it’s possibly one of the most versatile assault rifles in the world.

With the capability to customize virtually any part of it with relative ease, the end user can cater to mission-specific demands on the fly so long as the parts are available.

I also find it to be ergonomically pleasant in all areas of use with little to no difficulty attaining stability even in full battle rattle.

The G36 is nearly fully ambidextrous, sporting an easy-to-use safety lever on both sides of the trigger group/lower receiver. It has sling mounts at the end of the handguard and rear of the buttstock, and also has one on the rear left side of the receiver.

A particularly rare feature, especially for its time, is the bolt-catch mechanism, which lies on the underside of the receiver in front of the trigger. Functioning a lot like the Magpul BAD lever, it enables the bolt to be locked to the rear with the lift of a finger, making clearing double feeds a breeze.

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g369.jpg


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I like the unique charging handle can be use both left handed and right handed.
 

delft

Brigadier
I hadn't yet read this article from Reuters from last Tuesday:
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It clearly speaks of the frustration of the Iraqis with the ineffectiveness of the US actions against ISIL and the wish to develop an alliance:
“We find it extremely useful," the Iraqi official said. “The idea is to formalize the relationship with Iran, Russia and Syria. We wanted a full-blown military alliance.”
This alliance will have sufficient ground forces from Syria and Iraq as well as Hizbollah and Iran. But a Chinese air force contribution on the East side might be worthwhile and politically valuable.
 
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