Is it better to walk on by?

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Mr T

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Fewer than 7% of 20,000 respondents in an online survey by Hong Kong-based Phoenix Television said they would stop while driving to offer help. More than 45% said they would turn a blind eye and 43% said they would help only if there was a camera.

In some respects I'm not surprised that some people would not stop to help unconditionally. Chinese people will sometimes go out of their way to help people they only have a tenuous relationship with (e.g. friends of friends of friends), whereas I'm not sure they're so interested in complete strangers. But 7% is very low.

I thought the comment from Tang Fang was interesting, that there's so much negative news about how the elderly are treated that they become suspicious of people that help them. It seems like a vicious circle - if most people wouldn't help someone else, people believe that the normal reaction is to walk on by and therefore anyone who does help is doing so for nefarious reasons. Maybe giving a good samaritan the benefit of the doubt would go some way to changing this.

So, is it better to walk on by, or would you stop to help automatically? I think I probably would because I simply wouldn't think about it.
 

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I think a lot of it has to do with the culture and morals you are brought up in, which again depends on economic climate.
Of course I'd automatically help, but for example in china I heard there was this situation where an old grandmotherly person fell down near a bus stop and this guy goes to help her up... and then the old lady takes him to court claiming he pushed her in the first place. And it didn't help that her son was a police officer or something like that. Fortunately there was a third person who watched the incident and testified that the guy didn't push the old lady, but in the end he still had to pay an undisclosed amount to the old lady's family...

So hopefully as the economic climate gets better for everyone things should change for the better.
 
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In some respects I'm not surprised that some people would not stop to help unconditionally. Chinese people will sometimes go out of their way to help people they only have a tenuous relationship with (e.g. friends of friends of friends), whereas I'm not sure they're so interested in complete strangers. But 7% is very low.

I thought the comment from Tang Fang was interesting, that there's so much negative news about how the elderly are treated that they become suspicious of people that help them. It seems like a vicious circle - if most people wouldn't help someone else, people believe that the normal reaction is to walk on by and therefore anyone who does help is doing so for nefarious reasons. Maybe giving a good samaritan the benefit of the doubt would go some way to changing this.

So, is it better to walk on by, or would you stop to help automatically? I think I probably would because I simply wouldn't think about it.

Let's put it this way. Sometimes all it takes is to break the ice, meaning, being the first one to do the right thing, AND THEN others will follow suit. People aren't cold-blooded animals by default, but when others don't do it, this invisible atmosphere of not wanting to break the "mood" or be the special one to break the norm will weigh down on people, causing no one to do anything.

In psychology, this group mentality called the bystander effect is proven to be extremely lethal, causing couple cases where people died without anyone offering help. Because no one stepped in to break the atmosphere or action, then no one dares to be the first, although technically everyone has this question on their mind, or actually wanted to. Another concept is called the diffusion of responsibility, where you think others will do it, therefore you left the scene. Sadly, everyone else thinks the same, so this ended up no one going to the rescue. Diffusion responsibility is positively correlated with the n of people, where the person might feel they possess 1/n of the responsibility, which will influence their decision. With that said, once there are more than 2 people at the scene, everyone will feel they only possess less than half the responsibility, although the guilt and consequences will say otherwise.

On my personal account, nearly a month ago, I was on my home from the Abbotsford Airshow when we witnessed a car accident. I didn't quite know what to do, but my friend said we should dismount and go check what's going on. With that said, my half-assed first-aid training kicked in and I'm in full action. We boarded the bus, evacuated everyone, and I sorta lined them up according to lightest to most severe, then did a primary survey of their injuries, interviewed their experience, cause of injuries, and "damage assessment". I also handed some antibacterial wipes, offered water, some small bandages, and rested them as well. 911 showed up 10minutes later and they took over. My friend and I retreated, feeling really great about having helped out.

I was glad my friend told me to stop, which otherwise I might not have, because I wasn't quite sure what to do at that moment. He broke the ice, and instantly I can say, what he did was what changed me from being a passer-by vs. doing the right thing. With that said, I think anyone might be willing to do what's right, provided they "don't mind", and there's someone to break the ice if they can't do it themselves. Never forget, it's always the first step that's the hardest, but also the one that makes the most difference.

So if you ask me, I definitely won't believe in those statistics. Although there are some factors and variables at play, I feel that these surveys may not necessarily be accurate, if not troubled by faulty mechanics in preparation of it. Sample might be biased, unrepresentative. Anyone having taking university statistics and research methods will instantly remember what I'm talking about. Numbers don't speak the truth always: we have proven numbers wrong all the time. And another thing is, in statistics, significance is 5%, but everything starts from the action of the first person.

Source: Psychology Major 3rd year, personal experiences
 
I think a lot of it has to do with the culture and morals you are brought up in, which again depends on economic climate.
Of course I'd automatically help, but for example in china I heard there was this situation where an old grandmotherly person fell down near a bus stop and this guy goes to help her up... and then the old lady takes him to court claiming he pushed her in the first place. And it didn't help that her son was a police officer or something like that. Fortunately there was a third person who watched the incident and testified that the guy didn't push the old lady, but in the end he still had to pay an undisclosed amount to the old lady's family...

So hopefully as the economic climate gets better for everyone things should change for the better.

I also agree on this, but I'll say, that's because the incident is a screwed up case from the start. Seriously, who'd have thought that lady will be like that? Or utilize/manipulate good-hearted sympathy to get money in such a manner? Those people who did that have no morals, so it wasn't the fault of the person to offer help; he did the right thing. Is it the man's foolishness to help? I will never consider it so. It's just him out of luck that there's a nasty prepared sequel attached to it. He did the right thing considering the circumstances(if foul play wasn't involved). Unless the old lady feigned an obvious FIFA dive, I don't think it will be easy to distinguish trickery vs genuine.
 
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I also agree on this, but I'll say, that's because the incident is a fked up case from the start. Seriously, who'd have thought that b*tch will be like that? Or utilize/manipulate good-hearted sympathy to get money in such a manner? Those people who did that have no morals, so it wasn't the fault of the person to offer help; he did the right thing. Is it the man's foolishness to help? I will never consider it so. It's just him out of luck.

Agree -- but I think the fact that people would resort to these kind of tactics has to do with culture, history and the economic situation, which are all entwined I suppose. It's not just got to do with the fact the old lady was a turd, and most lower developed countries or some recent LEDCs I imagine have this dog eat dog, take every advantage you can get attitude among a good portion of their people.
 

Lacrimosa

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ht tp://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/15619725

This sort of things are indeed a negative feedback loop, and you can see it happening all over the place, and even in the same country, or the same PLACE at different times.

Obviously anecdotal evidence is just anecdotal evidence, but there are places in London where nobody is going to help you, there are places in London where people will help you - depending on when. Just my personal experience.
 

delft

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A story appeared in the Dutch media a few years ago about someone falling in a canal with a lot of people seeing it and waiting for someone else to dive in, so he drowned. The expectation was that had it been seen by half a dozen people or less someone would have dived in.
 

Mr T

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Obviously anecdotal evidence is just anecdotal evidence, but there are places in London where nobody is going to help you, there are places in London where people will help you - depending on when. Just my personal experience.

But I doubt you would find only 7% of people in London would say they would help someone. You can find people who don't care all over the country. The question is why so many people would say they would do nothing or only take action if they knew cameras were recording what they were doing.
 
But I doubt you would find only 7% of people in London would say they would help someone. You can find people who don't care all over the country. The question is why so many people would say they would do nothing or only take action if they knew cameras were recording what they were doing.
It goes both ways. Some people do really don't care, and the other group will be those who will end up caring, but they just don't know the answer to that yet. As for the camera, it is a symbol of guilt.
 

Lacrimosa

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What you have to bear in mind is that it's an online survey, which already suffers from self-selection bias AND net-usage bias (China has about one third of its population online, which is a large number but again not a representative sample group of the population), and then it's based on Phoenix TV, which is HK based so it is unclear whether their survey is inside the Firewall or not, AND is not one of the more popular portals, because I promise you a popular survey will hit 20,000 in an hour.

And then there is the question of how the survey is conducted, what the questions actually are, how are they presented, etc. For example, what does 'camera' mean? So they can prove their own innocence? is it in a place where you expect to have cameras everywhere like London or Shenzhen? In which case it's more like '50% will help', etc.

tl;dr

Methodology is suspect, 7% undoubtedly means SOMETHING, but what it means precisely is actually a non-trivial question.
 
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