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27 February 2013 Last updated at 13:01 ET
US private sector hopes to send older couple to Mars

By Pallab Ghosh
Science correspondent, BBC News
A team led by millionaire and former space tourist Dennis Tito plans to send a "tested couple" to Mars and back in a privately funded mission.
The Inspiration Mars Foundation plans to start its one-and-a-half-year mission in January 2018.
The foundation has carried out a study which it says shows that it is feasible to achieve such a mission using existing technology.
The group still has to raise funding for their mission.
Among those involved in the project is Jane Poynter, who spent two years locked away in a sealed ecosystem with seven other people in 1991 which she described as a "New Age Garden of Eden".
She told BBC News that the mission planners wanted the crew to consist of an older couple whose relationship would be able to withstand the stress of living in a confined environment for two years.
"I can attest from personal experience from living in Biosphere 2 that having somebody that you really deeply trusted and cared for was an extraordinary thing to have," Ms Poynter explained.
Ms Poynter, who ended up marrying one of those involved in the Biosphere 2 project, Taber Macallum, admitted that it could be "challenging" for the couple. But said that the selection process would attempt to find "resilient people that would be able to maintain a happy upbeat attitude in the face of adversity".
The plan was to choose a middle-aged couple because their health and fertility would be less affected by the radiation they would be exposed to during such a long space mission.
The couple would receive extensive training and would be able to draw on psychological support from mission control throughout the mission.
Ms Poynter's expectation is that a couple journeying to Mars would be "inspirational".
"We want the crew of vehicle to represent humanity," she said. "We want the youth of the world to be reflected in this crew and for girls as well as boys to have role models".
Space historian, Prof Christopher Riley of Lincoln University, believes that sending a couple to Mars might be a good idea.
"The idea of sending older astronauts on longer duration missions, after they have had children, has been around for a while. The reasoning is that such a long duration mission, outside of the protective magnetosphere of the Earth, could leave them infertile," he said.
"Married couples have occasionally flown in space before, on short flights, and it seemed to work well, so why not."
However results emerging from the so-called Mars500 project suggests that even carefully screened individuals are likely to suffer from psychological problems from a prolonged space mission.
The mission will be a straightforward flight to the Red Planet and return without landing. This greatly reduces the cost of the mission. The Mars Inspiration team believe that it is technically possible to launch such a mission in five years' time.
The Mars Inspiration team is aiming for a January 2018 launch because it coincides with a close alignment of Mars and Earth, such that a round trip would take about a year-and-a half, or 501 days - whereas outside of this window such a trip might take two or three years .
Many believe that new technologies will need to be developed to deal with the extended periods of radiation such a trip would involve and to cope with supplying food and water for the crew.
The Mars Inspiration team says that it has carried out a feasibility study for the mission which it plans to release on Sunday. Anu Ojha, from the British National Space Centre in Leicester has seen the study.
He says that it is theoretically possible to go to Mars and back using the Dragon and Falcon Heavy systems manufactured by California-based firm SpaceX.
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But conditions would be squeezed and spartan, with no room for pressurised space suits. The report suggests that 1,360kg of dehydrated food will be enough to last the journey and the manifest includes 28kg of toilet paper for a crew of 2 for 500 days.
But the issue of radiation protection according to Mr Ojha is "glossed over" with the recognition that more work and "creative solutions" need to be explored. More work will also need to done to improve recycling technologies to convert urine into water.
The man leading the venture is Denis Tito, who paid 20 million dollars to become the first "tourist" in space. He spent six days on the International Space Station (ISS) in 2001.
The millionaire is financing part of the project but much more money needs to be raised. The organisers have not stated how much the mission will cost nor how much they need to raise, saying only that it is much cheaper than one would imagine a Mars mission to be. Ms Poynter did however confirm that a significant amount of money still needed to be raised.
Anu Ojha believes that unless the venture is 100% underwritten at this stage it won't get off the ground.
"If a bunch of billionaires have committed the approx $1-2bn required, then we could see history being made in under five years. If (at the) the press conference they say 'we have this fantastic concept but need the money - please give generously' then it's dead in the water," he told BBC News.
However Prof Riley is more optimistic. "There are lots of big ifs in trying to achieve this epic endeavour, but none which are totally insurmountable given enough money and assistance, and the will to do it," he said.
"It takes mavericks like Tito to create such pivot points in history where significant things happen, and such a trip would be as significant as Apollo 8's first circumnavigation of the Moon on Christmas Eve 1968, when the world listened in to the reflections of the first human beings to orbit another world.
"Perhaps fifty years later, on Christmas Eve 2018 we might be all tuning in to a similar broadcast from Mars. I hope so!"
The effort represents the latest development in private sector companies moving into space exploration. Last December, one of the last men on the Moon, Harrison Schmitt, told BBC News that he believed Nasa and other government run space agencies were "too inefficient" to be able to send astronauts back to the Moon.

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26 February 2013 Last updated at 06:47 ET
Vulcan tops vote to name Pluto moons
"Vulcan" has topped a public vote to name two recently discovered moons of Pluto.
The choice will delight Star Trek fans; Vulcan is the home planet of Spock, science officer on the starship Enterprise.
The name had originally been suggested by William Shatner, the actor who portrayed Captain James T Kirk in the Star Trek TV series and films.
More than 450,000 people voted in an online poll run by the Seti institute.
The California-based organisation - which searches for intelligent life in the Universe - and Dr Mark Showalter, who led the teams that discovered the two moons, offered voters a choice of 21 possible names.
Currently, Pluto's two newly discovered moons - spotted in 2011 and 2012 - are known as P4 and P5.
Leonard Nimoy, who portrayed Spock, had previously tweeted that Vulcan was the "logical choice".
The vote ended on Monday, with Vulcan finishing in the lead by a margin of about 50,000 votes. The second-most-popular choice was Cerberus, the name of the multiple-headed dog that guards the gates to the Underworld in Greek myth.
Both of these names will be taken to the International Astronomical Union (IAU), the body responsible for naming planetary objects.
In 2006, it held a controversial vote that resulted in Pluto being stripped of its status as a planet. The icy body was subsequently reclassified as a "dwarf planet".
And more disappointment could lie ahead.
A spokesman for the IAU said the organisation typically did not involve the public in decisions like this - and said it would be astronomers, not Star Trek fans, that would have the final say on the matter.
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NASA teams with the US Navy on Orion handling and recovery procedures.

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NORFOLK (Aug. 12, 2013) Sailors aboard the amphibious transport dock ship USS Arlington (LPD 24) prepare to load an Orion capsule in the well deck of Arlington as part of NASA's first key Orion stationary recovery test at Naval Station Norfolk. NASA is partnering with the U.S. Navy to develop procedures to recover the Orion capsule and crew after splashdown. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Jackie Hart/Released)

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NORFOLK (Aug. 12, 2013) Sailors aboard the amphibious transport dock ship USS Arlington (LPD 24) load an Orion capsule onto the well deck of Arlington as part of NASA's first key Orion stationary recovery test at Naval Station Norfolk. NASA is partnering with the U.S. Navy to develop procedures to recover the Orion capsule and crew after splashdown. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Scott Barnes/Released)

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NORFOLK (Aug. 12, 2013) Sailors aboard the amphibious transport dock ship USS Arlington (LPD 24) inspect the placement of an Orion capsule onto the well deck of Arlington as part of NASA's first key Orion stationary recovery test at Naval Station Norfolk. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Scott Barnes/Released)

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NORFOLK (Aug. 13, 2013) Sailors assigned to the amphibious transport dock ship USS Arlington (LPD 24) recover an Orion capsule into the well deck of Arlington as part of NASA's first key Orion stationary recovery test at Naval Station Norfolk. (U.S. Navy photos by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Andrew Schneider/Released)
 

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Why do Americans always have to land their spacecrafts on sea ? Why won't they just land their spacecrafts in the desert like the Russians and Chinese do ? Wouldn't that make it less costly to recover the crew and spacecraft ?
 

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Why do Americans always have to land their spacecrafts on sea ? Why won't they just land their spacecrafts in the desert like the Russians and Chinese do ? Wouldn't that make it less costly to recover the crew and spacecraft ?

The Space Shuttle landed on air force bases:)...I understand your query..

...but first..

Why don't the Russians & Chinese land on the ocean? I know the a answer to that.

In answer to your question..I think NASA feels water landings are safer.

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I don't know if this is the case but watching the last Shenzhou landing they have a last second rocket boost to slow it down right before it touches ground. Do you need that for a water landing? Just imagine the last second rocket boost failed. There's probably going to be some injuries.
 

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The rocket boost is only for land landing, as currently that is the only option for China. US which lands their astronauts on water in the Apollo series don't have rocket boost.

I wonder if they will switch to landing in water once they had a couple of carriers/LHD.

Also, China is very advanced when calculating trajectory of space objects. Their prediction of asteroid paths and ground bound object crash point are more accurate than US and Russian estimates. Shenzhou landings are controlled in a much more narrower range than comparable landings from other countries
 

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I don't know if this is the case but watching the last Shenzhou landing they have a last second rocket boost to slow it down right before it touches ground. Do you need that for a water landing? Just imagine the last second rocket boost failed. There's probably going to be some injuries.

No NASA did not use rockets just before splashdown. NASA just used parachutes..big parachutes..

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It should be noted that the Orion capsule is connected the Space Launch system. To be Frank I am not a fan. The program seems at first good but then you look at the launch schedule planed, and the cost of the system. I would place my money on SpaceX and it's Dragon Rider capsule.
 

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NORFOLK (Aug. 15, 2013) An Orion capsule floats before being towed into the well deck of the amphibious transport dock ship USS Arlington (LPD 24) during an exercise as part of NASA's first key Orion stationary recovery test at Naval Station Norfolk. NASA is partnering with the U.S. Navy to develop procedures to recover the Orion capsule and crew after splashdown. (U.S. Navy photos by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Scott Barnes/Released)

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NORFOLK (Aug. 15, 2013) Sailors aboard the amphibious transport dock ship USS Arlington (LPD 24) deploy a rigid-hull inflatable boat during an exercise as part of NASA's first key Orion stationary recovery test at Naval Station Norfolk. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Scott Barnes/Released)
 
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